Starmer's vision quest

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multitool

Guest
I once compared you to O'Brien, that was mean, and wrong. The correct comparison is Parsons.

Did you?

I don't remember.

So much of what you say is forgettable.
 

multitool

Guest
This is all self-serving theatre

Of course it is

that will not make one iota of difference to the election result.

Well, it might.

If more can be persuaded to swap sides it'll have a momentum of its own, and frankly anything that gets the Tories out as soon as possible is fine by me.

It's a sort of game, I agree, but unless you are in a position to change the rules then the rules are what you have to play by.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
Well...the Tories didn't remove it from her for this, did they? ;)

Weird how this story only comes out after she defected
Is it?

it’s no more weird than a right wing Tory being welcomed into Labour.

It’s called realpolitik, where the ends justify the means.

When principles mean less than expediency we get the politicians and politics we deserve.
 

multitool

Guest
Really this story shines the Tories in a worse light that Labour because the Tories (ie Buckland) already knew that Elphicke had asked a colleague to swing a trial, whereas Labour did not know.

So, yes. I'm not going to gainsay those that opposed Elphicke's entrance into the Labour party because it turns out it has, in a damp squib sort of way, blown up in their faces, albeit for entirely different reasons than predicted by the sceptics.

As for the garage story, we'll, it is just a story. Telegraph journalists have done a search on her and discovered she has a planning application. They've then linked her defection to what they claim is a Labour controlled planning committee.

Of course, this is not evidence of anything. It strikes me as highly unlikely that Starmer would risk everything for the putative gain of a Tory defection.
 
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Ian H

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A garage, perchance?

https://x.com/bat020/status/1789236103075045389

(source: the Telegraph. the muck-raking operation is in full swing)

A two-storey garage, wasn't it?
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