Rusty Nails
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I am hopeful of more than scraps but am also cynical/realistic about the actions of politicians and the apathy of the public, and prefer not to yell at the moon for the sake of it.
Starmer's vision quest
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I am hopeful of more than scraps but am also cynical/realistic about the actions of politicians and the apathy of the public, and prefer not to yell at the moon for the sake of it.
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Lol...like anything in the Corbyn manifesto was radical.I shall leave you to your Sunday papers...Express or Mail ?
Rusty Nails
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If you didn’t do so much Lol-ing you might actually open your mind once in a while and read what people write, you might notice that I have never criticised Corbyn's policies or his last, decent manifesto, just his poor leadership skills (pause for another Lol).
I was against privatisation and have always been in favour of nationalising major infrastructure industries like the energy and water suppliers, and the Railway companies and, if that is not possible in this politically centrist country, then going for very strong government regulation including extra taxation of excessive profits.
You clearly prefer yelling out loud at not just those who disagree with you, but also those who don't agree enough. Fair enough if you want to trumpet your socialist beliefs, and champion of the workers credentials, at every turn but don't expect everyone to share your showboating, permanently outraged style.
theclaud
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Am I yelling,shouting or lol-ing ? Or did it touch a nerve ? Yea yea...your a socialist at heart and you want nationalisation but you'll settle for "a strong goverment regulation and extra taxation of excess profits" phew.
You didn't like Corbyns poor leadership skills ect,ect but you did like Labours "decent manifesto"
So with the current Starmer leadership,it is the thread for Starmer isn't it ? What is it that makes you think he's capable of any of those things you said you like ? As you say there just words they don't have to mean anything...I don't think they actually do.
Maybe your just one of those "politically centrist people" as you say.
Rusty Nails
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This just goes to confirm you don't actually read what anyone writes beyond what you want to hear.
I have replied recently several times, including at least once specifically to you, explaining that I was wrong in thinking that Starmer could have been a good replacement for Corbyn. He has been totally anonymous, and is not laying a hand on the Tories. But I have no doubt that this fact will not register with you and you will repeat the same old stuff again some time.
I have never said I was a socialist at heart. I am too realistic to believe wholeheartedly in any political ideology, which all fail when faced with the reality of people's greed for power, wealth or whatever, including socialism.
I know your mind only works in black/white when it comes to politics, but the reality is that politics is full of shades.
Rusty Nails
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How would you describe it?
At the moment it is run by a right wing government, but it has fluctuated between Labour and (rather more) Tory in recent years. Although I understand there are some who would describe the current Labour Party and recent Labour governments as right-wing.
By a centrist country I am talking about the views of the population as a whole rather than just the polarised idealogues whose views tend to hold an influence beyond their actual numbers in politics.
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So we agree about Starmer but I'm just more vocal about it ? You prefer the softly,softly approach,keep your fingers crossed....and you'll trot the same old shite again too,bit like me.
That's me again.Its so annoying being so principled isn't it.If only we could all be like you.The country would be a much better place...it would wouldn't it 🙄
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albion
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There is a main reason our centre is fairly right wing.
That being that ownership of the media is on the whole, a tool of the mega rich.
The decline of print has made patronage a main source of income and increased the corruption of opinion.
The useful idiot, Boris Johnson, is a prime example. 'The boss' being central to the decline of the UK.
That being that ownership of the media is on the whole, a tool of the mega rich.
The decline of print has made patronage a main source of income and increased the corruption of opinion.
The useful idiot, Boris Johnson, is a prime example. 'The boss' being central to the decline of the UK.
Rusty Nails
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A lot more vocal, and I admit I cannot compete with the volume of shite.
I wouldn't know, I thought you were the one who has often gone on about your principles.
I am more Marxist when it comes to political principles.......Groucho Marx.
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Step 1....Beat the Tories.
Step 2....See what can be done after that.
Forensic.
Step 2....See what can be done after that.
Forensic.
newfhouse
pleb
Even now, despite the country suffering from the most chaotic and self serving government I can remember, that is nowhere near a certainty.
Despite the current cost of conservatism crisis it seems the only sure way to beat the Tories is to behave very much like a Tory.
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Your not suggesting Starmer actually ups his game and offers something are you 🙄
newfhouse
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I’d enthusiastically vote for a green and openly socialist manifesto but I have come to accept that voting for Starmer’s Labour - or whoever is best placed to beat the Tories in my constituency - is the least worst option we have. I’m not happy but GTTO.
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I'm not even sure people are going to change from giving the Tories such a huge victory to voting in Labour under Starmer.
We're almost there in a huge cost of living crisis,citizens advise are saying 2 out of 3 households will struggle to pay their bills.How many small businesses are going to survive.
You know how bad just voting for "the least worse option" sounds ? Surely we should be aiming higher.
