Starmer's vision quest

[bobzmyunkle]

He's a f*cking plank

 

[Rusty Nails]

He was very good at being the conscience of the party in my opinion. Even if you don't agree with everything he says or believe he would have made a good prime minister, every party needs the equivalent of a Corbyn. They remind the party of roughly what the direction of travel should be, even if you don't want him to be the one taking you there.

Reminds me of that Margaret Thatcher quote: "Every PM needs a Willie".

Who will be Starmer's Willie. My money is on Streeting as he's already a dick.

 

[multitool]

He's a f*cking plank

He's a plank who has made himself invulnerable to Tory attack, and turned the worst defeat in 75 years into a 20 point lead.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

Why oh why does every reference to Diane Abbott have to stress she was the first black woman to be elected? Can't they just say, "Diane Abbott is a farking good politician"?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Why oh why does every reference to Diane Abbott have to stress she was the first black woman to be elecred? Can't they just say, " Diane Abbott is a farking good politician"?

It's Saturday don't you know.

 

[multitool]

Why oh why does every reference to Diane Abbott have to stress she was the first black woman to be elecred? Can't they just say, " Diane Abbott is a farking good politician"?

 

[Ian H]

Why oh why does every reference to Diane Abbott have to stress she was the first black woman to be elected? Can't they just say, "Diane Abbott is a farking good politician"?

Both statements are true. She overcame huge prejudice and still deals with more vitriol than most people could cope with. The majority she's built suggests she is an excellent constituency MP.

 

[winjim]

Choose between forced labour under the Tories, or forced labour under Labour.


View: https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1794644628748345355?t=69SPH35uaFCnoqlaVJxHCQ&s=19



View: https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1796792415501566376?t=63z0Qr2y2DhdPP5vjsHQEg&s=19

 

[Rusty Nails]

Choose between forced labour under the Tories, or forced labour under Labour.


View: https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1794644628748345355?t=69SPH35uaFCnoqlaVJxHCQ&s=19



View: https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1796792415501566376?t=63z0Qr2y2DhdPP5vjsHQEg&s=19

Which of those three aims in the Labour plan do you disagree with and why?

Would you prefer these?

1. An unchanged national jobs and career service, everything's fine as it is.

2. No plans for support to get more people with health conditions and disabilities back into work, they're happy as they are.

3. No plans to increase opportunities for training, apprenticeships or help to find work for all young people aged 18 -21 years old: what's wrong with a job in Maccy Ds or hanging out with your mates?

Of course there is nothing to get excited about in the vague pre-election Labour plans until we get a lot more detail of how they will be enacted, and in reality those two plans are not similar at all, but it appears that you are making a specious comparison just to bolster your stance that you can no longer stand Labour.

 

[winjim]

Which of those three aims in the Labour plan do you disagree with and why?

Would you prefer these?

1. An unchanged national jobs and career service, everything's fine as it is.

2. No plans for support to get more people with health conditions and disabilities back into work, they're happy as they are.

3. No plans to increase opportunities for training, apprenticeships or help to find work for all young people aged 18 -21 years old: what's wrong with a job in Maccy Ds or hanging out with your mates?

Of course there is nothing to get excited about in the vague pre-election Labour plans until we get a lot more detail of how they will be enacted, and in reality those two plans are not similar at all, but it appears that you are making a specious comparison just to bolster your stance that you can no longer stand Labour.

I fundamentally disagree with the authoritarian tone of the statement 'those who can work will work' and with the idea that we should necessarily compel disabled and ill people to work. I don't trust the idea of 'support', especially as I expect it to be a euphemism at best. I think we need to concentrate on diagnosis and support for its own ends, access to meds etc.

This looks like it's trying to appeal to the sort of people who get upset about alleged benefit scroungers. It's tabloid fodder.

 

[theclaud]

Which of those three aims in the Labour plan do you disagree with and why?

Would you prefer these?

1. An unchanged national jobs and career service, everything's fine as it is.

2. No plans for support to get more people with health conditions and disabilities back into work, they're happy as they are.

3. No plans to increase opportunities for training, apprenticeships or help to find work for all young people aged 18 -21 years old: what's wrong with a job in Maccy Ds or hanging out with your mates?

Of course there is nothing to get excited about in the vague pre-election Labour plans until we get a lot more detail of how they will be enacted, and in reality those two plans are not similar at all, but it appears that you are making a specious comparison just to bolster your stance that you can no longer stand Labour.

Wot winjim sed. Also "getting more disabled people back to work" under austerity conditions is just code for cutting benefits or making them inaccessible.

 

[fozy tornip]

There is no altoolative.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I fundamentally disagree with the authoritarian tone of the statement 'those who can work will work' and with the idea that we should necessarily compel disabled and ill people to work. I don't trust the idea of 'support', especially as I expect it to be a euphemism at best. I think we need to concentrate on diagnosis and support for its own ends, access to meds etc.

This looks like it's trying to appeal to the sort of people who get upset about alleged benefit scroungers. It's tabloid fodder.

So it's the tone you disagree with and you don't trust the idea of 'support'. Your second sentence should, of course happen anyway, and be a given for such a policy, but is another problem with the the way the NHS is managed.

The lack of detail in the plans at this stage obviously leaves more questions than answers but I am not prepared to condemn it out of hand until I see far more than pre-election propaganda

But you still haven't said how it is similar to a policy of compulsory voluntary national service for young people, which incidentally should not and will not happen, and is a far more blatant example of desparation led (tabloid fodder.

Wot winjim sed. Also "getting more disabled people back to work" under austerity conditions is just code for cutting benefits or making them inaccessible.

So also a lack of trust in the Labour party and its motives.

 

[Ian H]

I'm only putting this here for MT to comment on. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

 

[multitool]

I'm only putting this here for MT to comment on. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Obviously I've considered it for my new avatar.

I will comment that making some sort of accord with big business, especially media, has long been a prerequisite for gaining power.

Without gaining power zero opportunity for change because a socialist revolution isn't going to happen