Starmer's vision quest

[Fab Foodie]

I always find it amazing that people in the wider labour movement act in such a way as to sabotage the leader's position. Surely even if you are a Corbynite, its better to have Starmer in power than a Tory ( and the same goes for the Tories. In their time in opposition they undermined their own leaders handing victory to Labour)


Starmer may have his faults, but surely he is preferable to another tory government if you are a Labour supporter

It's been a while since we've had this one out....

 

[Beebo]

Starmer has just announced a new nationalised power company.
That’s a proper policy announcement.
Let’s see if the Tory’s nick it.

 

[jowwy]

Starmer has just announced a new nationalised power company.
That’s a proper policy announcement.
Let’s see if the Tory’s nick it.

adam wont agree with you.......he's more anti starmer than liz truss and the tories

 

[AuroraSaab]

I always find it amazing that people in the wider labour movement act in such a way as to sabotage the leader's position. Surely even if you are a Corbynite, its better to have Starmer in power than a Tory ( and the same goes for the Tories. In their time in opposition they undermined their own leaders handing victory to Labour)


Starmer may have his faults, but surely he is preferable to another tory government if you are a Labour supporter

You'd think so, but ideological purity is everything to some folk. They'd rather see real Tories in power than traitorous 'red' Tories.

 

[Fab Foodie]

You'd think so, but ideological purity is everything to some folk. They'd rather see real Tories in power than traitorous 'red' Tories.

Or rather let a Tory win a seat than vote tactically to keep them out....

 

[winjim]

What huge flag? I didn't see one!

Er, that massive red, white & blue thing he's standing in front of.

Starmer has just announced a new nationalised power company.
That’s a proper policy announcement.
Let’s see if the Tory’s nick it.

Yeah but look what he's calling it. Mind you, I suppose that's a no win, it could end up being 'Regenron' or something equally focus groupy and daft.

 

[Beebo]

I always find it amazing that people in the wider labour movement act in such a way as to sabotage the leader's position. Surely even if you are a Corbynite, its better to have Starmer in power than a Tory ( and the same goes for the Tories. In their time in opposition they undermined their own leaders handing victory to Labour)


Starmer may have his faults, but surely he is preferable to another tory government if you are a Labour supporter

It’s almost religious.
Catholic v Protestant
Suni v shia

They would rather fight each other than stand together.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Er, that massive red, white & blue thing he's standing in front of.

But on the clip it isn't a flag, it is just red, white and blue stripes. I didn't realise it was part of the union flag, if indeed it is. I haven't been watching the conference so I don't know what their backdrop is

Happy to take your word for it though.

 

[Deleted member 49]

You'd think so, but ideological purity is everything to some folk. They'd rather see real Tories in power than traitorous 'red' Tories.

I guess at least your honest with 'red Tories' 🙄
Starmer should've gone for unity as he campaigned for originally, rather than going out of his way to make enemies with those on the left maybe ?
What about the pledges he won his leadership contest on ? Would it not have been nice to actually try and honour some of those maybe.Im after some change not tinkering round the edges.But if there's something in two years or whenever the election comes around I'll consider it.Ill get excited when I see it.
Feck all to do with ideology.

 

[icowden]

Good news for Labour today:-


View: https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1574499811356819463?s=20&t=dhsS_FkvsZlgmg3DvgSCug

 

[winjim]

Good news for Labour today:-


View: https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1574499811356819463?s=20&t=dhsS_FkvsZlgmg3DvgSCug

Yeah but any other leader would be twenty points ahead.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Yeah but any other leader would be twenty points ahead.

Except one.

 

[albion]

Slow, steady and boring.

It is looking more and more a winning formula
The thought pattern amongst much of the population might now be 'how did I get suckered into trusting a Tory?'.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I guess at least your honest with 'red Tories' 🙄
Starmer should've gone for unity as he campaigned for originally, rather than going out of his way to make enemies with those on the left maybe ?

I put red Tories in quote marks because I don't think Labour centrists are red Tories. Others obviously do. I agree Starmer was wrong to campaign on one platform only to chuck those promises once elected.

I'm not sure how he can unify the party at this point. I think there are large sections of the Labour Party who aren't interested in being unified. They are simply looking for their particular faction to gain the upper hand.

Edit: I'll add that this is where the Tories win out. They'll back stab and fight like ferrets in a bag but when push comes to shove they fall in line for long enough to get through an election.

 

[Rusty Nails]

The Tories are just as divided, but better at keeping it in-house, with the connivance of the right-wing press.

Have the Tories ever had a group such as Momentum designed to stoke division?