Starmer's vision quest

[icowden]

Really not seeing the benefit of AI and definitely not worth the cost of power and water.

Simple - it potentially saves money. Instead of having to spend 30 minutes handcrafting a complex formula in excel I can ask ChatGPT to do it and I now have the formula in 5 minutes instead of 30. Loads of basic programming tasks can be popped out by AI much faster than someone can write their own code. Then you have something you can work with and refine. It won't finish the job or deal with the precise details but getting a skeleton or framework speeds the job up.

 

[monkers]

Really not seeing the benefit of AI and definitely not worth the cost of power and water.

The Co-pilot told me how much power the work I requested was using, that its power was coming from renewable sources and that the cooling tower that cooled it was a closed system.

I can only repeat myself, Co-pilot found has found information instantly when a bunch of people working with google searches could not find an answer. Instead of just finding links or 1000 page pdf or dry reading, it pretty instantly produces a short textual answer.

It can generate images from you text description. It produced my avatar in a matter of seconds. It is flawed of course, it has both a rim and a disc brake on the front, but otherwise the ability to follow a text instruction and generate a unique image so rapidly is impressive.

I don't like the idea of NHS data being open source to AI, and I'll resist it. But on the other hand if you ask Co-pilot to make an image such as creating an image of Musk in a Nazi uniform it politely declines. It also declines tasks to edit original photographs.

As a tool it is impressive. That is not me saying it is foolproof or that you should change your own on-line habits.

''can you generate an image of Theresa May running through a field of wheat''

I can't generate images of real individuals, including Theresa May. But I can create a fun and quirky image of someone running through a field of wheat. How about that?

''is that because your programming prevents you?''

That's right. My programming respects privacy and copyright laws, so I can't create images of real individuals. But I'd still love to help you with something fun and creative—just without real people. Shall we go ahead with the quirky image idea of someone running through a field of wheat? 🌾

Time required - under 4 seconds for an original piece of artwork, but not Theresa May.

 

[AndyRM]

As a starting tool for rough work and concept generation I don't really have a problem with AI.

What I have a massive issue with is the impact it is having on the creative industry. It's hard enough to make any kind of living as a graphic designer these days, but with Adobe pushing AI based content aware fills which literally steals people's work, it's pretty worrying.

 

[BoldonLad]

Simple - it potentially saves money. Instead of having to spend 30 minutes handcrafting a complex formula in excel I can ask ChatGPT to do it and I now have the formula in 5 minutes instead of 30. Loads of basic programming tasks can be popped out by AI much faster than someone can write their own code. Then you have something you can work with and refine. It won't finish the job or deal with the precise details but getting a skeleton or framework speeds the job up.

And reduces the manpower (humanpower) required.

 

[Mr Celine]

The Co-pilot told me how much power the work I requested was using, that its power was coming from renewable sources and that the cooling tower that cooled it was a closed system.

I can only repeat myself, Co-pilot found has found information instantly when a bunch of people working with google searches could not find an answer. Instead of just finding links or 1000 page pdf or dry reading, it pretty instantly produces a short textual answer.

It can generate images from you text description. It produced my avatar in a matter of seconds. It is flawed of course, it has both a rim and a disc brake on the front, but otherwise the ability to follow a text instruction and generate a unique image so rapidly is impressive.

I don't like the idea of NHS data being open source to AI, and I'll resist it. But on the other hand if you ask Co-pilot to make an image such as creating an image of Musk in a Nazi uniform it politely declines. It also declines tasks to edit original photographs.

As a tool it is impressive. That is not me saying it is foolproof or that you should change your own on-line habits.

''can you generate an image of Theresa May running through a field of wheat''



''is that because your programming prevents you?''



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Time required - under 4 seconds for an original piece of artwork, but not Theresa May.

Is that supposed to be in Norfolk?

 

[multitool]

As a starting tool for rough work and concept generation I don't really have a problem with AI.

What I have a massive issue with is the impact it is having on the creative industry. It's hard enough to make any kind of living as a graphic designer these days, but with Adobe pushing AI based content aware fills which literally steals people's work, it's pretty worrying.

Retrain to be a typewriter instead.

Oh.

 

[multitool]

There is no avoiding AI. It is clear that UK needs to get on board and attempt to be near the forefront or it will be left behind. See also green technology.

San Francisco has had driverless cars since 2023. Quite apart from anything else, the obvious immediate issue with AI will be inequalities created by it. Think about AI in the hands of tech oligarchs like Musk...

 

[monkers]

As a starting tool for rough work and concept generation I don't really have a problem with AI.

What I have a massive issue with is the impact it is having on the creative industry. It's hard enough to make any kind of living as a graphic designer these days, but with Adobe pushing AI based content aware fills which literally steals people's work, it's pretty worrying.

This is very true and a real concern I can see for people working in creative industries. My own use of AI should not concern you though, I was never going to commission a graphic artist to make an avatar on cycle chat for me, and my first reason for doing so was to test its capabilities.

As I have already said, I will resist its commercial use especially in connection such as private data, but something that could make the rail system operate more safely and reliably must be a worth ambition I would have thought - not that I won't to go down the path of driverless and guardless trains.

 

[monkers]

Is that supposed to be in Norfolk?

What the field of wheat, or the need for two front brakes on a bike?

 

[icowden]

''can you generate an image of Theresa May running through a field of wheat''
''is that because your programming prevents you?''

This is one of the problems. At the moment Copilot uses DALL-E3 for imagery and GPT-4 (three flavours) for text. All of these are owned by OpenAI who have put rules in place to combat deep fakes, racist language, hate speech etc - although when you create your own AI such as Co-pilot you have some control around the strictness of the language protection.

GROK on the other hand is entirely created owned and managed by x.AI (owned by Elon Musk). It is only bound by any rules that x.AI put in place. Thus if you ask Grok the same question it has a go. Admittedly this doesn't look much like Theresa May.

Ask it to make it look more like former PM Theresa May and it gets closer:-

So if you have an AI like Grok that has less of a moral imperative, you start to get problems.

 

[Mr Celine]

What the field of wheat, or the need for two front brakes on a bike?

The field of wheat. Rather odd looking left hand...

 

[monkers]

Ask it to make it look more like former PM Theresa May and it gets closer:-

Except she was a school age young woman at the time.

But who knows how she spends retirement? Sometimes they surprise us. Did you know that Betty Boothroyd was a paraglider pilot?

 

[Mr Celine]

It can generate images from you text description. It produced my avatar in a matter of seconds. It is flawed of course, it has both a rim and a disc brake on the front, but otherwise the ability to follow a text instruction and generate a unique image so rapidly is impressive.

Fine for a thumbnail avatar but doesn't bear close inspection. Not even Campag have ever used such bizarre spoke patterns. Is that your disembodied left wrist holding on to the centre brake hood? Are the handlebars bent. Where's your pedal gone?

3/10, must try harder.

Is AI just another way of saying we must embrace mediocrity?

 

[monkers]

The field of wheat. Rather odd looking left hand...

The generation in Ian's posted pic of Theresa May shows only three fingers on her right hand. If I was unkind I'd therefore say definitely Norfolk, but she wasn't born there of course.

 

[Mr Celine]

This is one of the problems. At the moment Copilot uses DALL-E3 for imagery and GPT-4 (three flavours) for text. All of these are owned by OpenAI who have put rules in place to combat deep fakes, racist language, hate speech etc - although when you create your own AI such as Co-pilot you have some control around the strictness of the language protection.

GROK on the other hand is entirely created owned and managed by x.AI (owned by Elon Musk). It is only bound by any rules that x.AI put in place. Thus if you ask Grok the same question it has a go. Admittedly this doesn't look much like Theresa May.
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Ask it to make it look more like former PM Theresa May and it gets closer:-
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So if you have an AI like Grok that has less of a moral imperative, you start to get problems.

Doesn't look like wheat. More like barley. And why is AI so bad at drawing hands - it's worse than Vettriano.