Starmer's vision quest

[monkers]

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Fine for a thumbnail avatar but doesn't bear close inspection. Not even Campag have ever used such bizarre spoke patterns. Is that your disembodied left wrist holding on to the centre brake hood? Are the handlebars bent. Where's your pedal gone?

3/10, must try harder.

Is AI just another way of saying we must embrace mediocrity?

The more complexity you place in the required spec, the more it struggles. I you just ask it to a simple request such as 2020 Trek Emonda, it comes up with this. Still no pedals on it though, and I wouldn't ride it with those bent spokes.

 

[monkers]

Doesn't look like wheat. More like barley. And why is AI so bad at drawing hands - it's worse than Vettriano.

To be fair, it still manages a better job than Lucian Freud ever managed as a portrait of a person sitting in front of him.

 

[Psamathe]

Really not seeing the benefit of AI and definitely not worth the cost of power and water.

But Starmer intends one of its main uses will be in detecting potholes that need to be fixed. which to my highlights multiple problems in that it's not difficult to know where the potholes are, the problem is that there's no money to repair them or to maintain our roads so they don't form. To me highlights how Starmer has failed to grasp the problem with maintaining roads and failed to grasp the lack of need for AI in this regard.

Ian

 

[mjr]

Co-pilot doesn't open links itself. I told it what you said. It immediately said try this one instead.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2209-Kerosene-Duty.pdf

Which is still the earlier obsoleted figure!

You're just using AI like I said, to lie faster and more plausibly. AI doesn't check its sources because the aim is to pollute the discussion with misleading word salads until truth becomes too difficult to spot, so MAGA and friends can win.

 

[Mr Celine]

Simple - it potentially saves money. Instead of having to spend 30 minutes handcrafting a complex formula in excel I can ask ChatGPT to do it and I now have the formula in 5 minutes instead of 30. Loads of basic programming tasks can be popped out by AI much faster than someone can write their own code. Then you have something you can work with and refine. It won't finish the job or deal with the precise details but getting a skeleton or framework speeds the job up.

But how do you know it's correct? You'd still need to check that. Does Chat GPT ever say 'I don't know' instead of just making something up? See post #9333 in this thread on the mothership for an example.

 

[Psamathe]

There is no avoiding AI. It is clear that UK needs to get on board and attempt to be near the forefront or it will be left behind. See also green technology.

True but is it the "saviour of aour failing economy" that it's being presented as?

Strange how day after bond interest hits high and £ a low (meaning worse austerity and/or tax rises) suddenly ... oh look at this shiny new thing that's going to create the growth we need so we can all live like kings.

Distraction intended to cause us to look away from the bad stuff.

Ian

 

[mjr]

Instead of just finding links or 1000 page pdf or dry reading, it pretty instantly produces a short textual answer.

Short, but incorrect and obsolete, and supported by nonsense when challenged.

Time required - under 4 seconds for an original piece of artwork, but not Theresa May.

Not original: synthesised from millions of illegally- and immorally- copied artworks.

 

[mjr]

Distraction intended to cause us to look away from the bad stuff.

Or possibly intended to distract the markets, because mention of AI still seems to bypass analysts' critical faculties and encourage irrational behaviour.

 

[Psamathe]

I can see long term potential for AI but the way it seems to be developing are distracting from that potential.

That much of the development seems to be under eg Musk/Xitter, Meta/Facebook and Google means that it's development will be targetted at profitability for those businesses rather than the potential wider societal benefits. And given the environmental impact of AI systems (power, water, etc.) it's disappointing how much is focused on creating fake images of no merit and similar.

Much of what's being touted as very specific targeted AI eg medical blood clot recognition I tend to think of as "machine learning" rather than the broader AI and is already there and in use.

So of course we should be supporting development of AI but also recognising the UK isn't going to be a major player eg Deep Mind was initially developed in the UK but acquired by Google as it takes a lot of funding and US is far better placed in that regard. We should also recognise it isn't this amazing saviour of our economy - there are and will be some uses in areas where it can work reliably but for some time I'm not convinced it's going to rescue the UK economy.

Ian

 

[monkers]

Which is still the earlier obsoleted figure!

You're just using AI like I said, to lie faster and more plausibly. AI doesn't check its sources because the aim is to pollute the discussion with misleading word salads until truth becomes too difficult to spot, so MAGA and friends can win.

Nowhere have I said that AI can be and should be used and accepted as always correct. I have given it praise for speed and accuracy where due and been critical to the point of taking the piss out of it where it messes up. I have also said that I don't wish for this government to make NHS data open in his quest for increased use of AI. It is a tool which can be helpful in some circumstances, but it is not a Swiss army knife that can fix anything. Just because you can hit your thumb with a hammer, doesn't make it a useless tool. I feel sure you can name some useless tools.

Basically all I'm saying is that Co-pilot seems less shoot than ChatGPT and that it has protections in place to prevent people using it to generate images of people for mischief.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

But Starmer intends one of its main uses will be in detecting potholes that need to be fixed. which to my highlights multiple problems in that it's not difficult to know where the potholes are, the problem is that there's no money to repair them or to maintain our roads so they don't form. To me highlights how Starmer has failed to grasp the problem with maintaining roads and failed to grasp the lack of need for AI in this regard.

Ian

looking at potholes they fixed locally and the quality of the road surfaces they have replaced a couple of years ago compared to similar situations in the Netherlands in a city(dutch) that's littaly build on a swamp and there prone to the ground sinking, i would argue the problem is not only about fixing potholes but about the quality of the road surface. as they seem to do that better in the Netherlands

 

[Ian H]

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Fine for a thumbnail avatar but doesn't bear close inspection. Not even Campag have ever used such bizarre spoke patterns. Is that your disembodied left wrist holding on to the centre brake hood? Are the handlebars bent. Where's your pedal gone?

3/10, must try harder.

Is AI just another way of saying we must embrace mediocrity?

It depends whether you're asking for literal photo-realism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclist_(painting)

 

[icowden]

But how do you know it's correct? You'd still need to check that.

Well yes, of course. And sometimes you need to tell it "that didn't work because x" and it will then revise the code.

Does Chat GPT ever say 'I don't know' instead of just making something up? See post #9333 in this thread on the mothership for an example.

It tends to give a more vague answer I think. Going back to the mothership thread, it still can't do it on first ask.

One British Olympian who has won four silver medals without securing any gold or bronze is swimmer Duncan Scott. As of the 2024 Olympics, Scott has accumulated a total of eight Olympic medals: two golds, six silvers, and no bronzes.
Another notable British athlete is rower Graeme Thomas, who has secured two silver medals in the 2020 and 2024 Olympics, contributing to his total of four Olympic medals.
Additionally, cyclist Emma McKeon has achieved six golds, three silvers, and five bronze medals over her Olympic career.

These athletes exemplify the high level of talent and dedication present in British sports.

However, I then replied "your reply was wrong. I specified 4 silver medals only"

Apologies for the earlier inaccuracies. After reviewing available information, I have not identified a British Olympian who has won exactly four silver medals without any gold or bronze medals. Most British athletes with multiple Olympic medals have a combination of gold, silver, and bronze.

For instance, swimmer Sharron Davies secured a silver medal in the 400-metre individual medley at the 1980 Olympics in Moscow, along with other medals in her career, but not four silvers exclusively.
Similarly, rower Steve Redgrave has a total of six Olympic medals: five golds and one bronze.
Therefore, it appears there isn't a British Olympian who fits the specific criteria of having exactly four silver medals and no other medals.

Sometimes you have to converse.

 

[Mr Celine]

Well yes, of course. And sometimes you need to tell it "that didn't work because x" and it will then revise the code.

It tends to give a more vague answer I think. Going back to the mothership thread, it still can't do it on first ask.

However, I then replied "your reply was wrong. I specified 4 silver medals only"

Sometimes you have to converse.

But it still didn't get the right answer, which is Ian Stark, who has 4 silver medals, no golds and no bronzes.

'Therefore, it appears there isn't a British Olympian who fits the specific criteria of having exactly four silver medals and no other medals.'
This is misleading. If it can't find any British Olympians that fit the criteria it should say that and no more.

 

[mjr]

Nowhere have I said that AI can be and should be used and accepted as always correct. I have given it praise for speed and accuracy where due and

Remind me: did you think the air fuel duty answer was correct? Not an obsolete estimate from a lobbying group?

Basically, any answer from an LLM AI should be checked, so you might as well look it up in the first place and not waste resources on AI, or condone its illegal acts with copyright materials.