Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

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icowden

Squire
Discrimination against white offenders
Nope. When you learn to read and process information you will appreciate that there is no discrimination here. I bet you didn't even watch the video (although to be fair it's piss poor journalism as it fails to mention that both parties are busy dog whistling and failing to understand what the guidance is or why it has been issued).

The actual news which you clearly missed due to your own pavlovian reaction, is that despite appointing the other side as our government we have a Justice Minister as utterly farking inept and stupid as any of those appointed by the Conservative party.

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!!!

As has been pointed out before, the guidelines don't do anything that the Justice Secretary or Farage, Tice and Jenrick say it does. The reason being that a pre-sentencing report just gives more information to the Judge. That's all. It is just a provision to encourage better sentencing.
Ideally a pre-sentence report would be generated for every convicted defendant. But it costs money, which the Justice system doesn't have (arguably better sentencing might also save money as you would potentially reduce prison time where it is ineffective).

The Labour Party are continuing with their quest to be more shoot than the Conservative party. They aren't even aiming to do better. They have metaphorically just run in front of the party previously running to jump off the edge of a cliff because they want to jump off it first and better.
 

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
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AndyRM

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Gotcha fail - I think the only person on here not utterly appalled by the actions of Starmer's cruel Red Tory ghouls has flounced, never to return. (Maybe.)

Also - MAGAndy in uncharacteristic posting of Tweet from Lefty account! You sure you should be reading stuff like that? Might fill your head with weirdo ideas about compassion, honesty & decency! :tongue:

This is essentially what Question Time is:


View: https://www.tiktok.com/@limmyclips/video/7281161662533487905
 

Dorset Boy

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Glad you like the idea of Putin having a 'peace deal' that can't actually be enforced because no troops would be on the ground in your ideal world to stop Putin just advancing further.
Putin turns a blind eye to Trump wanting to annexe Greenland (against their wishes btw), and Trump will facilitate Putin taking over as much of Ukraine at Putin wants.
What a warped view of the world and what is right you and Vance have
 
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CXRAndy

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Let's just watch as over 30,000 Ukrainian men have been killed in February alone, probably more. The number are probably similar on the Russian side. Coalition of the willing has no strength and only want to perpetuate the war.

Something has to give. But if you're so determined to help continue the death toll, pop across and do your bit
 

Dorset Boy

New Member
Europe does not want to perpetuate the war at all. That is an utterly deluded view.
However, they realise that neither Putin or Trump can be trusted. Give in to Putin's so called peace demands, and the Baltic states are then at risk as are Finland and others.
You have to be incredidly naive or incredibly thick to think otherwise.
So, it cannot be peace at any cost because it won't be peace, it will be a temporary cessation until Putin goes for his next land grab.
But the Donald doesn't give a sh!t about Europe, he just wants to annexe Canada and Greenland against their wishes
 

icowden

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Let's just watch as over 30,000 Ukrainian men have been killed in February alone, probably more. The number are probably similar on the Russian side.
Not even close. Ukraine close to 50,000 Russia 3 to 4 times as many. The Ukrainian army is far better trained and has had access to more modern equipment.
Russia's actual losses are almost certainly substantially higher than open-source data can reveal. The military analysts we have consulted estimate that the BBC's research, which is based on graveyards, war memorials, and obituaries, probably captures only 45% to 65% of total casualties.

Added to which, the bodies of many of those killed in recent months likely remain on the battlefield, since retrieving them requires living soldiers to risk exposure to drone strikes.

Given the estimate above, the true number of Russian military deaths could range from 146,194 to 211,169. If one adds estimated losses from DPR and LPR forces, the total number of Russian-aligned fatalities may range from 167,194 to 234,669.

Russia last officially reported its military losses in September 2022, and cited fewer than 6,000 deaths.

Ukraine last updated its casualty figures in December 2024, when President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged 43,000 Ukrainian deaths among soldiers and officers. Western analysts believe this figure to be an under-estimate.

The website Ukraine Losses, which compiles casualty data from open sources, currently lists more than 70,400 surnames of Ukrainian soldiers. Our verification of a random sample of 400 of them found the database to be reliable.

The Ukrainian casualty list is likely more complete than the Russian equivalent, as Ukrainian presidential decrees on posthumous military awards remain publicly accessible. In Russia such data is classified.
 

Rusty Nails

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Let's just watch as over 30,000 Ukrainian men have been killed in February alone, probably more. The number are probably similar on the Russian side. Coalition of the willing has no strength and only want to perpetuate the war.

Something has to give. But if you're so determined to help continue the death toll, pop across and do your bit

Allowing for the fact that you have no credible sources for the wildly inaccurate figures quoted above (if you have please show them), other than probably some X post, what reason do you have for saying that UK, France etc want to perpetuate the war? What benefit do they gain? It is costing these countries, and others, £billions.
 

CXRAndy

Über Member
Allowing for the fact that you have no credible sources for the wildly inaccurate figures quoted above (if you have please show them), other than probably some X post, what reason do you have for saying that UK, France etc want to perpetuate the war? What benefit do they gain? It is costing these countries, and others, £billions.
Ever thought of weapons contracts


But you'll accept @icowden figures which are higher? I did 30k+. If I suggested 50k+ per month which some articles suggest. Then I would have been accused of over egging.

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Psamathe

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Wonder if Starmer will pull of a limited Free Trade deal in the next few days and avoid tariffs on some UK exports to US. And if he does, maybe he should check how effective such deals are at avoiding Trump's tariffs eg Canadian Free Trade deal where Trump is imposing tariffs contrary to their Free Trade Deal.

Maybe a good indicator of where a Government is going when it refuses to learn from the mistakes of others and blindly ploughs on in the belief that their doing the same will give a better outcome, maybe "Trump respects the UK much more ...", just like "we can trust Putin not to break a ceasefire because he respects Trump ..."

Ian
 
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