Starmer's vision quest

[Rusty Nails]

What did he say ?
2020 launching his leadership campaign....
"Speaking in Manchester, the shadow Brexit secretary called on his supporters to consider Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 manifesto as the "foundation" of the Labour Party. Sir Keir argued the last four years should also not be "trashed" but celebrated by building on the radicalism that he claimed enthused people on the doorsteps ahead of the general election. Hinting at an even more radical approach going forward, the leadership frontrunner said: “We are not going to trash the last Labour Government."

I know what he said. My post still stands.

He was never going to come out and say "Corbyn is unelectable, unlike me", not while he needed to get support from as wide a base of Labour Party members as possible...he didn't need to.

Corbyn was yesterday's man, although there was still a lot of support for him within the party membership, and there would have been no benefit to Starmer to trash him at that time.

His best means of getting the leadership was by staying loyal to Corbyn's leadership, aligned to the manifesto pledges, but at the same time coming over as a responsible politician who could continue the direction of the party while at the same time broadening its appeal to voters and unifying it.

What has happened since then is obviously a different chapter in his leadership.

 

[BoldonLad]

What did he say ?
2020 launching his leadership campaign....
"Speaking in Manchester, the shadow Brexit secretary called on his supporters to consider Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 manifesto as the "foundation" of the Labour Party. Sir Keir argued the last four years should also not be "trashed" but celebrated by building on the radicalism that he claimed enthused people on the doorsteps ahead of the general election. Hinting at an even more radical approach going forward, the leadership frontrunner said: “We are not going to trash the last Labour Government."

Perhaps, with the passage of time, he learned that what people say on the doorstep, and, what they actually vote for, are not the same?

At that point, wasn't the "last Labour Government", Blair/Browm?, which he appears to be basing his self on, so, consistent with what he said?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Perhaps, with the passage of time, he learned that what people say on the doorstep, and, what they actually vote for, are not the same?

At that point, wasn't the "last Labour Government", Blair/Browm?, which he appears to be basing his self on, so, consistent with what he said?

Maybe...but we know his leadership campaign was built of lies.Im under no illusion how much of the country bought into the smears against Corbyn.More fool them as I genuinaly believed we had a good chance of some change.Where I differ to most here is the reasons why Labour/Corbyn lost.In 2017 Corbyn promised to honour the EU Ref result, Labour retained 52 seats on a socialists manifesto that voted Leave. In 2019 after Labour broke that pledge and Labour lost 54 seats to the Tories, including the 52 constituencies that had voted Leave.
I think a change has never been needed more.Workers on strike,NHS collapsing,cost of living crippling people...you get the point.
Labour seem so weak,so scared to offer anything.Im not really buying the anyone but the Tories thing.I mean what's he so scared of.At the very least he should be backing workers...for me that's what the Labour party is.

 

[newfhouse]

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[theclaud]

LOL if this nonsense from the Tories were true I'd vote for Starmer in a heartbeat.

 

[theclaud]

View: https://twitter.com/Hamza_a96/status/1614969748906811393?t=4ij6a7X7cMIG6IXeKmDT2w&s=19

What a massive pillock the man is.

 

[multitool]

LOL if this nonsense from the Tories were true I'd vote for Starmer in a heartbeat.

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Lynch's union removed its affiliations with the Labour Party years ago.

 

[multitool]

What a massive pillock the man is.

Ferrari, I presume, rather than Starmer?

I'm with Starmer. Why should he answer pointless hypotheticals.

 

[C R]

Lynch's union removed its affiliations with the Labour Party years ago.

Bah, facts are just an inconvenience.

 

[qigong chimp]

Would the hypotheticals have been pointlesser under a Corbyn government?

 

[theclaud]

Ferrari, I presume, rather than Starmer?

I'm with Starmer. Why should he answer pointless hypotheticals.

Both, actually, but pointless or not, it's hardly a tricky question. The correct answer would have been 'Yes, of course the country would be in a better place under a Labour government. We didn't persuade enough people of that in 2019 and it's my job to persuade them of it now'.

Or somesuch. Hello, BTW.

 

[newfhouse]

Ferrari, I presume, rather than Starmer?

It's possible for both to be true.

 

[theclaud]

Lynch's union removed its affiliations with the Labour Party years ago.

It goes without saying that the Tories are strangers to the truth, but what's more puzzling is why they think it benefits them to associate Labour with a political figure more popular and in touch with public feeling than the leader of either party.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

In some bits. In others, it's more like theclode.

Clowd:

View: https://youtu.be/DjIG4DIJVS0

 

[Deleted member 49]

Ferrari, I presume, rather than Starmer?

I'm with Starmer. Why should he answer pointless hypotheticals.

Why would he not... considering he was in the shadow cabinet and campaigned for Corbyn.I mean a Labour leader can't bring himself to say any Labour government would have been better than this...feck he gives me more and more reasons to think nah.