Starmer's vision quest

[multitool]

Tell you what, let's get Jeremy and his manifesto back.

It's sure to be a vote winner.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Tell you what, let's get Jeremy and his manifesto back.

It's sure to be a vote winner.

As opposed to let's resurrect Sir Tony and his winning ways 🙄
What was wrong with the manifesto,I seem to remember it being quite popular.Obviously you know better though.

 

[multitool]

As opposed to let's resurrect Sir Tony and his winning ways 🙄
What was wrong with the manifesto,I seem to remember it being quite popular.Obviously you know better though.

Popular with who? The electorate?

They loved it so much they voted in the Tories with a landslide.

 

[icowden]

As opposed to let's resurrect Sir Tony and his winning ways 🙄

I'd be happy with that. if you take out the Iraq war he did a pretty good job. Low waiting lists - reduced waiting times for operations from 18 months to 18 weeks. Sure Start programme, introduction of minimum wage, the economy worked well and incomes grew 18%, reduced poverty and increased public spending on health and education. Removed bans on homosexuals in the armed forces and changed consent age to 16 for everyone, introduced civil partnerships and adoption by same sex couples, introduced a method for transgender people to change their birth certificate. Proportional voting for MEPs (shame he didn't do it for our parliament but there you go). Banned fox hunting.

Everything was going pretty well until Cameron and his cronies screwed the country over.

Note: I used to be a Conservative voter and am not a Labour supporter, but I can see that the current shower of shoot are absolutely the worst of the worst. Corbyns error was in not understanding how to be in opposition. Starmer has some of the same problem. Just offer the opposite to what the government are doing. It's not that hard.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Popular with who? The electorate?

They loved it so much they voted in the Tories with a landslide.

No mention of Brexit....you do surprise me.
Not.

 

[multitool]

So what? Corbyn mishandled it. He mishandled everything he touched. The only reason he is feted is because he drew in a load of new left wing members into the parry, but that was electorally irrelevant. It was just one big circle jerk.

 

[Deleted member 49]

So what? Corbyn mishandled it. He mishandled everything he touched. The only reason he is feted is because he drew in a load of new left wing members into the parry, but that was electorally irrelevant. It was just one big circle jerk.

Yea so what... 2017 and Corbyn won 12.9m votes with a manifesto which included the nationalisation of energy, water, rail and mail..Green new deal etc...but you know all this.You still choose to be happy with a right wing Labour party and a recycled Tory manifesto,because let's be honest thats about the best your going to get.

 

[Deleted member 49]

There a fecking sh1tshow....the deputy leader of the Labour party too scared to say anything about her new partner.
She'll be out before the next election.

View: https://twitter.com/schneiderhome/status/1627298872769798145?t=q80f-8PWPIy0jyDlQGURzA&s=19

 

[Rusty Nails]

Loving all these fresh new ideas that will totally transform our lives....let's go back to 2010.
More bland shite from Labour.What about better pay for people allowing people to provide a better life for their kids.You know give people some opportunities,community centres.Austerity is anti social.

Yet they choose to go with the same old recycled authoritarian bullshit.Fecking useless

I doubt that the Tories ever counted on your vote, or that the current Labour Party leadership are going to change their tactics to try to gain/retain it, so who are you going to vote for?

Yea so what... 2017 and Corbyn won 12.9m votes with a manifesto which included the nationalisation of energy, water, rail and mail..Green new deal etc...but you know all this.You still choose to be happy with a right wing Labour party and a recycled Tory manifesto,because let's be honest thats about the best your going to get.

That was a huge missed opportunity by Labour against a government run by the hopeless Theresa May, still in a mess with finalising Brexit who still managed to increase their vote to 13.6m votes. Yes, Labour had a large number of votes but not quite enough, and it is easy to see how having Corbyn in charge stopped some people voting Labour.
I know you think the Sun shines out of his ar*e but there are a lot of people who are not so impressed by him and, whether you like it or not, believed the demonisation of him by the media. That was always just one barrier to winning too many.
I don't believe he was any sort of demon, just a poor leader so carried away by his new found party popularity and the chants of "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" that he couldn't see that you need more than just the votes of the usual party supporters plus new members to win a GE.
Sadly the combination of the transient cult and the demonisation led to the next Leader trying too hard to show the Labour Party and the UK electorate that he was a serious, credible leader and not Corbyn.

 

[winjim]

there are a lot of people who are not so impressed by him and, whether you like it or not, believed the demonisation of him by the media. That was always just one barrier to winning too many.

An interesting point here. The tweet I posted upthread which a few people have commented on contains a link to the Telegraph. I haven't read the article, I haven't read the policy, I haven't tried to find out about it at all in any other media. I just wanted to make a stupid Aretha Franklin joke about the supposed name of the thing.

So, has anybody criticising the idea actually looked into it? Or are we all just going by the headline of an article in a right wing newspaper? Sould we suddenly believe them now if it suits our narrative?

 

[multitool]

Yea so what... 2017 and Corbyn won 12.9m votes with a manifesto which included the nationalisation of energy, water, rail and mail..Green new deal etc...but you know all this.You still choose to be happy with a right wing Labour party and a recycled Tory manifesto,because let's be honest thats about the best your going to get.

He lost.

Doesn't matter how many votes.

 

[Deleted member 49]

doubt that the Tories ever counted on your vote, or that the current Labour Party leadership are going to change their tactics to try to gain/retain it, so who are you going to vote for?

Too right,they've made it perfectly clear they don't want it.Ill vote Green more than likely...it's not that hard a choice for me.Especially when my options are a right wing party or a very right wing party.
As for the rest of your post you've said it over and over again....I've also replied it was never really about Corbyn being leader as such,and everything about his policies.Do I respect him as a politician ? Of course,I mean what's not to like.He should be held in high regard as far as I'm concerned.But instead Starmer decides to carry on with the smears, expeling members,near enough saying feck off if you don't like it.

 

[Deleted member 49]

He lost.

Doesn't matter how many votes.

I had noticed...seems like your the one obsessing about Corbyn.
Maybe being in power with the word "Labour" attached to you is more important than actually having any labour policies ?

 

[multitool]

Policies are just pieces of paper unless you get in power.

This is basic, basic stuff but you don't seem to grasp it. It's like you are super naive and don't understand what power means.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Policies are just pieces of paper unless you get in power.

This is basic, basic stuff but you don't seem to grasp it.

He's allready gone back on every single pledge he promised.... and still expelling members ! and I don't grasp it 🙄