Starmer's vision quest

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multitool

Pharaoh
If you are in the HoC, have a massive majority against you, and can't get into power, then everything you do is pointless.

Understood it yet?
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
I've also replied it was never really about Corbyn being leader as such,and everything about his policies.Do I respect him as a politician ? Of course,I mean what's not to like.He should be held in high regard as far as I'm concerned

One of the problems with the personality cult that politics has increasingly become is that electoral success depends on both the perception of the leader and the policies, plus disaffection with the sitting government. I am not defending this but accepting the reality. Life is very rarely as fair as it should be.

There was nothing wrong with the last Labour Manifesto imo so the two biggest contributors to defeat were the public perception of the leader and Brexit.

I respect Corbyn for his principles and politics, if not always his judgement.

Starmer is lucky to have a government that is as unpopular as this one as a base for the next GE so sadly he still believes that all he has to do is be uncontroversial/anodyne to win. He may be right in that even though it lacks any ambition or inspiration. One good thing about not promising much in a manifesto is that it gives much more freedom to do stuff in government without breaking the promises of that manifesto.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
I don't think he does think that at all. I think he is acutely aware of the highly unusual current political landscape.

Just have a little look at who has been positioned as deputy Tory party chairman, and think about why. The Tories are highly effective at gaining and staying in power. Starmer has to counter this. We have had a disastrous Tory govt for 13 years, including the current one with a huge majority. This hasn't happened because the electorate are instinctive Labour voters who want social justice, a generous welfare system, and renationalised industries.
 
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There was nothing wrong with the last Labour Manifesto imo so the two biggest contributors to defeat were the public perception of the leader and Brexit.
Feck don't have me agreeing with you.
respect Corbyn for his principles and politics, if not always his judgement.
There's you saying I think the Sun shines out of his ar5e.
Starmer is lucky to have a government that is as unpopular as this one as a base for the next GE so sadly he still believes that all he has to do is be uncontroversial/anodyne to win. He may be right in that even though it lacks any ambition or inspiration. One good thing about not promising much in a manifesto is that it gives much more freedom to do stuff in government without breaking the promises of that manifesto.
Some think Starmer's approval of hard Brexit,the NHS sell off, wage cuts for key workers,not supporting striking workers,lying and breaking every promise he was elected on are going to change once he gains power.🙄
I'm a realist....he's a fraud.
 
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If you are in the HoC, have a massive majority against you, and can't get into power, then everything you do is pointless.

Understood it yet?
Lol...and your asking me if I get it.Might be a idea to actually think about what a opposition is meant to do.The clues in the word oppose.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Lol...and your asking me if I get it.Might be a idea to actually think about what a opposition is meant to do.The clues in the word oppose.

Oh here we go.

Have you noticed how the govt have been able to do whatever they want? Why do you think that is?
 

theclaud

Reading around the chip
Gotta LOL at the implication that Labour hasn't previously tried outflanking the Tories on 'law and order' (for which, read systematically making life more difficult for young people, black people and Muslims), crime, immigration and imperialism. Like it's some kind of Starmeroid innovation and not the zombie corpse of the same authoritarian neoliberal programme under which New Labour not only haemorrhaged millions of votes but abandoned any claim to represent the material and social interests of most citizens. Peter Mandelson brought a bulldog to a press conference in a Union Jack waistcoat in 1997 - Starmer's transparently insincere flag-shagging isn't even his own brand of cringe. Not sure why Adam, or anyone else, is expected to regard putting these ghouls into power as a desirable end.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Not sure why Adam, or anyone else, is expected to regard putting these ghouls into power as a desirable end.

Which ghouls would you prefer?
 
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Having this piece of sh1te anywhere near you should send alarm bells off,not welcoming them with open arms.
Corbyn who resigned as leader 3 yrs ago yet still boils people's piss on a daily basis...expelled and treated like sh1te for what
Starmer telling anyone remotely left leaning to feck off if you don't like it and expecting us to vote for him.
Excuse me if I'm not as enthusiastic about what's ahead.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Starmer telling anyone remotely left leaning to feck off if you don't like it and expecting us to vote for him.
Excuse me if I'm not as enthusiastic about what's ahead.

You still aren't understanding.

It isn't about you. Your vote, and the votes of Corbynite rump do not matter at all.
 
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You still aren't understanding.

It isn't about you. Your vote, and the votes of Corbynite rump do not matter at all.
Oh I get that all right...and that's exactly the reason why I think feck no.
I've been a Labour supporter and member since I was able to vote...only time I didn't vote Labour was Blair.I voted for him the first time and regretted it.
 
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