Starmer's vision quest

[secretsqirrel]

Starmer has some good qualities but he leaves himself open to such criticism because he needs to up his game on the communication front. That’s where Farage/Trump is ahead.
Had he done any straight to camera public addresses?
Whats his slogan/strapline?
He seems to be bogged down in detail and spending more time than he should be trying to manage a relationship with the orange idiot.

 

[Chromatic]

Starmer has some good qualities but he leaves himself open to such criticism because he needs to up his game on the communication front. That’s where Farage/Trump is ahead.
Had he done any straight to camera public addresses?
Whats his slogan/strapline?
He seems to be bogged down in detail and spending more time than he should be trying to manage a relationship with the orange idiot.

I think it’s ‘my father was a toolmaker’

 

[briantrumpet]

Starmer has some good qualities but he leaves himself open to such criticism because he needs to up his game on the communication front. That’s where Farage/Trump is ahead.
Had he done any straight to camera public addresses?
Whats his slogan/strapline?
He seems to be bogged down in detail and spending more time than he should be trying to manage a relationship with the orange idiot.

The trouble is that he's never going to be anything other than wooden in front of a camera, certainly when reading a script. He comes across a bit more human in interviews, but it's still not a barrel of laughs - I think that's just who he is.

But, that said, I think he comes across as even more wooden because he's so in the thrall of pollsters (and McSweeney in particular) that he doesn't allow himself to be himself and show any gumption (or really what makes him tick) or risk saying something from conviction.

Haha, just watched this, and John Major in 1992, looks distinctly human compared with Starmer, and he was the epitome of bland back then.

 

[secretsqirrel]

The trouble is that he's never going to be anything other than wooden in front of a camera, certainly when reading a script. He comes across a bit more human in interviews, but it's still not a barrel of laughs - I think that's just who he is.

But, that said, I think he comes across as even more wooden because he's so in the thrall of pollsters (and McSweeney in particular) that he doesn't allow himself to be himself and show any gumption (or really what makes him tick) or risk saying something from conviction.

Haha, just watched this, and John Major in 1992, looks distinctly human compared with Starmer, and he was the epitome of bland back then.

Yes, he was a quite invisible grey man back in the day. I looked back fondly on him when Johnson was in charge, and wished for someone boring.

And here he is. Ta daa!

 

[briantrumpet]

Yes, he was a quite invisible grey man back in the day. I looked back fondly on him when Johnson was in charge, and wished for someone boring.

And here he is. Ta daa!

"No, we didn't mean quite *that* boring!"

 

[C R]

Yes, he was a quite invisible grey man back in the day. I looked back fondly on him when Johnson was in charge, and wished for someone boring.

And here he is. Ta daa!

Boring is not the issue. Surrendering the field to Farage and Yaxley Lennon is the issue.

 

[spen666]

I think it’s ‘my father was a toolmaker’

He stopped using that when everyone realised the tool his father made

 

[AuroraSaab]

Haha, just watched this, and John Major in 1992, looks distinctly human compared with Starmer, and he was the epitome of bland back then.

I'd forgotten how much everyone used to rip the p out of Major for being the Grey Man, boring, bland and forgettable. In retrospect he looks practically coked up compared to Keir.
(I did kind of welcome the move away from politicians like Johnson and that whole well he's a bit of a character, isn't he? thing).

 

[briantrumpet]

Boring is not the issue. Surrendering the field to Farage and Yaxley Lennon is the issue.

But I think that that is because he's not allowing himself to call out in his own language what he knows to be wrong, or to campaign for what he knows to be right, and in doing so just comes across as boring, with no passion for, well, anything. And if he does say anything interesting, it's scripted by McSweeney, in the hope that it polls well (see "Island of strangers").

 

[briantrumpet]

I'd forgotten how much everyone used to rip the p out of Major for being the Grey Man, boring, bland and forgettable. In retrospect he looks practically coked up compared to Keir.
(I did kind of welcome the move away from politicians like Johnson and that whole well he's a bit of a character, isn't he? thing).

That's why I looked back, for the comparison.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Boring is not the issue. Surrendering the field to Farage and Yaxley Lennon is the issue.

But isn’t that a Starmer thing?

He never went for the jugular when in opposition, it would have been so easy, there was a constant open goal he just waited for the tories to eat themselves.

Perhaps he is just waiting for Dastardly and Yuxley to condemn themselves. He needs to start taking risks.

 

[CXRAndy]

Oh look a new pet-not


View: https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1970878799266058543?t=8_F98V4Y5chWgGihB9FCxw&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

Having seen the clip, the Turkish bloke had serious intent to cause GBH with a knife

20 week suspended sentence is a joke


View: https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1970787919435591709?t=37c_8yaAv4l0PX2u6vQzZA&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1970957012096708731?t=IqopjprIN1Zfa-DCUBNM8w&s=19

 

[Psamathe]

But I think that that is because he's not allowing himself to call out in his own language what he knows to be wrong, or to campaign for what he knows to be right, and in doing so just comes across as boring, with no passion for, well, anything. And if he does say anything interesting, it's scripted by McSweeney, in the hope that it polls well (see "Island of strangers").

To do anything other than he is might mean leaving the fence (or at least finding a different fence). He's too scared of losing some votes. I think that's why he can't call out genocide, his reason is that it might upset some communities whereas the public perception is "why can't he see the blindingly obvious, as per UN, etc., etc.".

He is actually a terrible manager, just look at his time in CPS where the staff in effect turned against him/lost confidence in him/considered CPS badly managed (and that was a very highly very motivated staff).