TailWindHome
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Just coincidence I suspect that these projects were being managed by the Conservative Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Starmer's vision quest
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Just coincidence I suspect that these projects were being managed by the Conservative Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
No. The Tories were a terrible government floundering to make things work within a broken system. Labour is an even worse government floundering to make things work within the same system.
briantrumpet
Squire
I know you won't agree, but I don't think the Tories were interested in trying to 'make things work' – like Trump/Bannon/Miller, they wanted to break the system and see what would spring up in its place. Even if they are are incompetent in many aspects, I don't see the same malice in Starmer's lot.
EDIT: from Johnson onwards. Cameron and May floundered, I'll give you that. And Sunak gave up trying.
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TailWindHome
Regular
In fairness to the Tories
They were 6 different governments.
They were 6 different governments.
TailWindHome
Regular
briantrumpet
Squire
Didn't you get the memo about Truss being brought down by the woke bond markets? Tush!
secretsqirrel
Well-Known Member
TailWindHome
Regular
People are getting hysterical about Starmer
I mean they were in power for 14 years after Brown and had several.prime ministers who all made lots of mistakes so.there's lots to go at. Focussing on recent memory they never got to grips with Brexit and Covid and we are (literally) paying the price for that. Other than Truss I don't think any of the others were trying to break the system, they just couldn't do what they wanted within that system.
You ain't seen nothing yet. We'll probably look back at his brief period in office as Halcyon days when either Milliband or Rayner becomes PM.
CXRAndy
Pharaoh
Not really, we know he's a fûcking dickhead, that no one trusts. He's cut out of all miltary strategic activities. Hes not in the inner circle for anything.
TailWindHome
Regular
No. Absolutely no one is hysterical.
briantrumpet
Squire
"Never got to grips with Brexit" - you make it sound like it was just one of those unlucky things, like covid, that happened to pop along at an unfortunate time, rather than being authored by the Tories from the outset. Johnson didn't give a flying fig about anything other than his own ambition. Truss is mad. Cameron was careless with the Brexit referendum to the point of negligence, May tried to square an impossible circle, and Sunak disappointed everyone, not least several Cakestoppers who initially thought he might steady the ship and be vaguely competent rather than just trolling Labour and doing nothing useful. Every party is going to make mistakes, but this was a full catalogue of them.
Have I left anything out?
briantrumpet
Squire
You seem to be pretty paranoid about Labour government (not that we're likely to have one after 2029 if Starmer carries on the way he is, alienating all the people who actually voted for him in 2024). The paranoia might be warranted if the last Labour government was Callahan's and the Winter of Discontent (well analysed by Brian Walden here, taking no hostages), but both parties have had their fair share of justified criticism since then, and I'd suggest the various metrics don't give either party the monopoly of feeling proud (or ashamed) of what they've done (if we omit Johnson onwards, which ought to be shame, on pretty much all metrics).
