Starmer's vision quest

[Psamathe]

I don't see how an entirely new supply of houses in a climate of houaing shortages would be detrimentally affected by a reduction in supply of existing properties at a comparable value.

My understanding is that bit like queue of people moving up a ladder, person at top stops because next step means £££ Gov tax and everyone on ladder stops right down to bottom.

Plus developers don't make their profit expectations from building smaller houses.

 

[First Aspect]

My understanding is that bit like queue of people moving up a ladder, person at top stops because next step means £££ Gov tax and everyone on ladder stops right down to bottom.

Plus developers don't make their profit expectations from building smaller houses.

Surely it reduces supply at the bottom end, which would maintain prices of new builds?

 

[Psamathe]

Surely it reduces supply at the bottom end, which would maintain prices of new builds?

But my understanding is max. profits from 4/4+ bedroom properties presumably to the point that it outweighs such influences.

Parish Council I routinely attend on planning and one very thorough on examining planning applications regularly objects to proposed developments in its area on the basis we don't need more 4/4+ bedroom properties but rather need 2 or few 3 bedroom ones but developers and planners won't listen.

In the particular case I mentioned where developer can't sell it doesn't bother them as when their profit expectations drop and they are not meeting their target profit they go back to planning to be made exempt from other affordable housing or infrastructure obligations (and Planning just agree).

 

[AuroraSaab]

The biggest cost is the actual land, in upmarket areas anyway. Round here they will cram a 3 storey 4 bed house, with a small garden and no garage, on a small plot because that maximises profits. A 2 or 3 bed would require the same land cost and footprint for less profit. The only 2 bed properties being built round here are flats.

I'm not of the view that 'solve housing, you solve everything' but it has a big effect on lots of other things, from the number of children people have to the inability to downsize because your kids in their 20's can't rent or buy.

 

[First Aspect]

But my understanding is max. profits from 4/4+ bedroom properties presumably to the point that it outweighs such influences.

Parish Council I routinely attend on planning and one very thorough on examining planning applications regularly objects to proposed developments in its area on the basis we don't need more 4/4+ bedroom properties but rather need 2 or few 3 bedroom ones but developers and planners won't listen.

In the particular case I mentioned where developer can't sell it doesn't bother them as when their profit expectations drop and they are not meeting their target profit they go back to planning to be made exempt from other affordable housing or infrastructure obligations (and Planning just agree).

Still don't understand. If the 4 bad market is bunged up, there are fewer properties on the market, increasing demand for new builds. What am I missing?

 

[Pblakeney]

But my understanding is max. profits from 4/4+ bedroom properties presumably to the point that it outweighs such influences.

Parish Council I routinely attend on planning and one very thorough on examining planning applications regularly objects to proposed developments in its area on the basis we don't need more 4/4+ bedroom properties but rather need 2 or few 3 bedroom ones but developers and planners won't listen.

In the particular case I mentioned where developer can't sell it doesn't bother them as when their profit expectations drop and they are not meeting their target profit they go back to planning to be made exempt from other affordable housing or infrastructure obligations (and Planning just agree).

The ladder clearly fails if nobody can reach the first rung.
I don't doubt that they are working in their own best interests but they are simply compounding the problem.

 

[CXRAndy]

Building materials, and site disposal costs a spiralling upwards. Land costs too. Thats why shît sites along major roads are being built upon.

Whi the hell wants to live beside a motorway or major trunk road if they choose

 

[Pross]

My understanding is it's the 4/4+ bedroom properties that provide max. profits. Hence developers not being so keen on 2 or 3 bedroom properties.

But I'm just repeating what I've read/been told except I can see that for a given land area higher bedroom numbers squeezes more bedrooms on given plot size.

Any successful developer knows their market and will usually aim for a mix that is suitable. Planning authorities also have an input on the housing mix required for the local market. I’ve worked on many sites ranging for a handful of units to several thousand and I would say detached of any number of bedrooms are generally rare as they use more land and 4 or more bedrooms are also in the minority.

The main mix tends to be 2 and 3 bedroom semis or terraces with the odd larger and / or detached. Apartments also seem to be getting more common when they used to be mainly in city centre sites but that could be because a lot of my recent work has been on affordable housing schemes.

 

[briantrumpet]

Quite the dilemma, eh? It appears that if you demonise migrants and make it expensive or impossible to come, not enough come to do stuff that needs doing. Who'd have thought?

 

[CXRAndy]

Starmer has gone an picked another fight which he's already lost.

By threatening to ban 𝕏

He's has already been given the news the British people aren't accepting his threat by making 𝕏 and Grok number 1 in downloads in the UK.


View: https://x.com/i/status/2009781776412225673


If he is stupid enough to follow through with his threat, a whole mountain side of trouble will come his way via sanctions, tariffs from the USA.

Then if he thinks thats worth it to puff out his pigeon chest, he'll find the ban is completely ineffective as everyone will just be using a VPN. Which became very popular after a previous gaff.


Looking forward to his humiliation in either backing down or being hammered by the British citizens in an election

 

[CXRAndy]

Quite the dilemma, eh? It appears that if you demonise migrants and make it expensive or impossible to come, not enough come to do stuff that needs doing. Who'd have thought?

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Train, our white British people to do the jobs. They've been demonised for decades

 

[TailWindHome]

Starmer has gone an picked another fight which he's already lost.

By threatening to ban 𝕏

He's has already been given the news the British people aren't accepting his threat by making 𝕏 and Grok number 1 in downloads in the UK.


View: https://x.com/i/status/2009781776412225673


If he is stupid enough to follow through with his threat, a whole mountain side of trouble will come his way via sanctions, tariffs from the USA.

Then if he thinks thats worth it to puff out his pigeon chest, he'll find the ban is completely ineffective as everyone will just be using a VPN. Which became very popular after a previous gaff.


Looking forward to his humiliation in either backing down or being hammered by the British citizens in an election

Nonce machine goes brrr

 

[briantrumpet]

Nonce machine goes brrr

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Starmer has gone an picked another fight which he's already lost.

By threatening to ban 𝕏

He's has already been given the news the British people aren't accepting his threat by making 𝕏 and Grok number 1 in downloads in the UK.


View: https://x.com/i/status/2009781776412225673


If he is stupid enough to follow through with his threat, a whole mountain side of trouble will come his way via sanctions, tariffs from the USA.

Then if he thinks thats worth it to puff out his pigeon chest, he'll find the ban is completely ineffective as everyone will just be using a VPN. Which became very popular after a previous gaff.


Looking forward to his humiliation in either backing down or being hammered by the British citizens in an election

How do we know this isn’t just more fakery?

I see even your Reform boss has spoken out against Musk’s paedo porn producing AI.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

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It’s called the Epstein effect.
Entitled US billionaires are particularly vulnerable.