Starmer's vision quest

[CXRAndy]

Mourning a man who sanctioned the death of 35000 Iranian citizens just a handful of weeks ago.

 

[Ian H]

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[Pross]

So having initially shown a rare glimpse of backbone in refusing to allow the use of bases on UK soil he has now decided to allow them to be used for “defensive” purposes. Defensive apparently means attacking missile sites being used in retaliation for the initial offensive strike. I thought maybe the poodle and got off its lead and was refusing to return to heal but not such luck so presumably we’ll be at an increased risk of terrorism again as a result.

 

[CXRAndy]

Summing up the British approach to Iran here:

1) US asks to use British bases, we say no.

2) Tell everyone we weren't involved and hope they leave us alone.

3) oh dear, they didn't leave us alone. They're shooting missiles at us.

4) claim that the only way to stop this and protect British citizens is to destroy the missiles at source.

5) allow the Americans to use our bases to destroy the missiles at source.

6) refuse to help destroy the missiles at source, even though we just said destroying them at source is the only way to end the threat to British citizens.

7) tell everyone we're not involved and hope they'll leave us alone.

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[Dorset Boy]

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Presumably you think the Falklands, with no Argentinian inhabitants or having ever been under Argentinian rule, should have been surrendered to Argentina when they invaded?
Are you Neville Chamberlain's son?

 

[TailWindHome]

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We know, Andy
We know

 

[CXRAndy]

We know, Andy
We know

Glad you do

 

[Pblakeney]

So having initially shown a rare glimpse of backbone in refusing to allow the use of bases on UK soil he has now decided to allow them to be used for “defensive” purposes. Defensive apparently means attacking missile sites being used in retaliation for the initial offensive strike. I thought maybe the poodle and got off its lead and was refusing to return to heal but not such luck so presumably we’ll be at an increased risk of terrorism again as a result.

An RAF base in Cyprus has since been the target of a drone.
Utterly predictable.

 

[CXRAndy]

The enemy within


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[Ian H]

Presumably you think the Falklands, with no Argentinian inhabitants or having ever been under Argentinian rule, should have been surrendered to Argentina when they invaded?
Are you Neville Chamberlain's son?

We could have a discussion about the nuances when we next meet.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

It’s probably already been said, but here goes.
I haven’t been critical of Starmer, to this point. Not that I think that he’s done a bang up job. On the contrary, his government has fallen well below what I would describe as adequate. It’s simply that they have been slightly less of a shambles that the previous bunch.

However, with what we have seen of him over the weekend, I think it’s time to speak up.
How can he go from saying that what the tangerine racist and Arab killer were doing was “Against International Law,” one day, to allowing them to use UK bases to attack Iranian military targets, the next?

I am sorry, but you cannot cover such bullshit by saying, “defensive capacity only,”
The US has no intention of defending UK bases that are of no strategic use. UK forces are charged with defending UK bases.

Starmer has joined Trump’s Board of lying Twunts.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I forgot to mention: isn’t defensive strikes an oxymoron?

 

[briantrumpet]

This is an excellent post on why the Blue Labour strategy is going to lose Labour the next election if they stick with it.

https://williamcullernebown.substack.com/p/arguing-with-tom-watson-about-the

The Starmerism we have got is an alliance between two strands on the right of the Party: the Old Right, with a base in officials in certain trade unions, and the Blairite right, now turned on to tech and with deep links to Silicon Valley oligarchs, not to mention Trump himself (e.g. via Blair’s position on Trump’s so-called Board of Peace).

It is worth saying that neither of these strands has a base of support in the country or attempts to set out a coherent programme for governing the country. They are skilled in the maintenance of power but exist only within the institutions of the Labour movement as vestigial remnants of earlier, now washed-up projects. What, for example, does their Atlanticism mean in the age of Trump? Blue Labour is something else, more thoughtful but burdened by Maurice Glasman (who believes “the only place to build a house now is on the left side of MAGA square”) and, crucially, more decoration than foundation of the project itself.

This alliance has attempted to triangulate on cultural issues such as immigration but triangulation relies on the old FPTP dynamics that no longer apply. When Labour has a credible challenger on its left, triangulation does not exist for the exact reason we have seen in Gorton and Denton – the lefter voters have somewhere else to go. Rather than the electoral success of the 90s, triangulation becomes a ticket to electoral catastrophe.

 

[C R]

It’s probably already been said, but here goes.
I haven’t been critical of Starmer, to this point. Not that I think that he’s done a bang up job. On the contrary, his government has fallen well below what I would describe as adequate. It’s simply that they have been slightly less of a shambles that the previous bunch.

However, with what we have seen of him over the weekend, I think it’s time to speak up.
How can he go from saying that what the tangerine racist and Arab killer were doing was “Against International Law,” one day, to allowing them to use UK bases to attack Iranian military targets, the next?

I am sorry, but you cannot cover such bullshit by saying, “defensive capacity only,”
The US has no intention of defending UK bases that are of no strategic use. UK forces are charged with defending UK bases.

Starmer has joined Trump’s Board of lying Twunts.

Point of order. The US is responsible for the deaths of a very large number of Arab people, so the Arab killer epithet is aposite. However, most Iranians are not Arab, so in this case it doesn't apply. No complaints about the rest of the post.

 

[CXRAndy]

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