Starmer's vision quest

[BoldonLad]

So about 4 pages back I posted.
There have been numerous posts reinforcing the Reform trope, but only one, maybe 2 posts trying to answer the important part of my post - how do the traditional parties regain the trust of the electorate.
Staggering.

Do you think there is an echo in here? 😊

 

[TailWindHome]

 

[BoldonLad]

I agree; low productivity, high debt servicing costs, housing shortages and an aging population aren't going to be easily resolved.

We have shot ourselves in both feet by leaving a huge trading area and by demonising young, energetic people who want to come here to work hard (and pay tax).

My version of Reform would put all the oldies (apart from me) in camps and replace us with young brown men and women.

Would it not be cheaper to send all of the oldies to Rwanda, on a sort of one out, one in basis?

 

[briantrumpet]

I seem to remember you referring to Mahmood as he a couple of times.

Hint: She's a she.

If I did, it was an unfortunate typo. I know she's a she.

 

[briantrumpet]

I seem to remember you referring to Mahmood as he a couple of times.

Hint: She's a she.

Oh, the 'he' is referring to Starmer, so not a typo, but not clear, sorry.

 

[briantrumpet]

In my defence, the previous 'he' in the paragraph is also referring to Starmer.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

So about 4 pages back I posted.
There have been numerous posts reinforcing the Reform trope, but only one, maybe 2 posts trying to answer the important part of my post - how do the traditional parties regain the trust of the electorate.
Staggering.

Is it really about winning back trust though? As I said before, marginalised groups have always been marginalised. What they had before was really a straight shoot between the two main parties. What we have had post Brexit is a massive populist surge heavily led by social media that has convinced a lot of people that Reform is the answer to their prayers.

I don't think people are looking to be won back, they are looking for a miracle, that's what the populist message plays on. The only thing that is going to change their mind is seeing Reform being as ineffective as any other party.

 

[Rusty Nails]

My distain is not limited to the electorate. In fact the parties and the media are even more culpable as they are driving the debate.
People are voting for national issues to be changed that cannot be changed at a local level. Stupid.

I have never really understood (OK, there's a lot I don't understand about politics) why local political candidates have to represent national parties. I would much prefer their election prospectus to include what their priorities are for their local area and to vote on that rather than which colour rosette they wear.

 

[Pross]

I have never really understood (OK, there's a lot I don't understand about politics) why local political candidates have to represent national parties. I would much prefer their election prospectus to include what their priorities are for their local area and to vote on that rather than which colour rosette they wear.

Yep, you want them making decisions around what they can control at local level and not being linked to national policies. It makes very little sense for them to be making decisions on partisan party lines rather than on the actual merits of the issue.

 

[Psamathe]

When checking results for my region something I've not noticed before
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The Dark Blue and enclosed white areas to the east of the region are for candidates from the "Great Yarmouth First Party". Looks like 8 wards (councillors) neighbouring constituencies round Great Yarmouth.

Given the party name must be a local "Party" but they won way ahead of the all the 2nd placed candidates. Maybe there was a specific local issue. Maybe it's common and I've never noticed it elsewhere.

Rubert Lowe/Restore Britain affiliate

That's disappointing, disappointing that all 10 candidates were elected.

Maybe their web site is an indication of the state of UK politics, no policies, no information, but application forms to join, donate or stand but nothing about what they stand for.

 

[BoldonLad]

I have never really understood (OK, there's a lot I don't understand about politics) why local political candidates have to represent national parties. I would much prefer their election prospectus to include what their priorities are for their local area and to vote on that rather than which colour rosette they wear.

Pretty much my sentiments.

At one stage, I assumed that the reason for party alignment was as a sort of apprenticeship for national politics, but, if that is so, it appears to be a very ineffective apprenticeship.

 

[Pross]

Losing Lambeth feels like quite an achievement

 

[Psamathe]

I have never really understood (OK, there's a lot I don't understand about politics) why local political candidates have to represent national parties. I would much prefer their election prospectus to include what their priorities are for their local area and to vote on that rather than which colour rosette they wear.

I can understand the national Party association as it provides infrastructure for campaigning and just letting the electorate know you're standing and your priorities if elected, plus regulatory compliance (rules, returns, etc.). is something a private individual with a few family and friends would find very difficult and require private resources (ie only for independently wealthy).

And I guess that invites in the national party spin doctors who only know national policies.

This election local Conservative candidate leaflets were entirely local to the point where remove the "Conservative" name and logo/branding and you really wouldn't know which party. Other parties more national party aligned, Reform being entirely national party based, nothing local,

 

[Pross]

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Just heard what she said and she’s suggesting a reshuffle of the Cabinet but who in the Cabinet would be better? Starmer to Foreign Secretary would potentially be a good move, it’s where he seems at his best.

 

[secretsqirrel]

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Bet Henry can barely contain himself.