Strike!

[FishFright]

The RCN are supporting strike action too.

Remember everyone, when this happens, no grizzling because your small children, husband, wife or parent dies. You can be proud that they died in the fight for an extra % or two and for the greater good✊

Where do you dredge this nonsense up from ?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Where do you dredge this nonsense up from ?

It isn't nonsense, the RCN are backing strike action.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Ne...ers-urged-to-support-industrial-action-090822

 

[Bromptonaut]

It isn't nonsense, the RCN are backing strike action.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Ne...ers-urged-to-support-industrial-action-090822

Are they actually proposing all out action?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

It is a strike ballot. Striking is union members withdrawing labour.

Don't come whinging on here when you watch your family member die because there is no nurse to do what needs to be done, although apparently this is just 'nonsense'. Nurses are not like train drivers and postal workers, if they don't go to work a train doesn't run or you don't get a letter, if a nurse doesn't go to work the elderly do not get medicines at home and die (insulin is not an optional medicine), dressings don't get changed, ITUs will work with 1 nurse to 3 or 4 pts instead of 1:1, surgery stops etc, you think it's bad now? Take out the largest patient care delivery workforce in the NHS and watch what happens next.

The RCN are in cloud cuckoo land, they are demanding 5% over inflation, which is 11% (ish), so a 16% pay rise.

But remember, you are all in favour of striking to get what you want, so I am expecting 100% backing of the nurses no matter how many people you all love die.

 

[Bromptonaut]

It is a strike ballot. Striking is union members withdrawing labour.

I know what a strike is. Likelihood is that some labour will be withdrawn; there are ways of doing that without lives being threatened.

What is the RCN's actual intent?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Did you mean to write something there?

 

[Bromptonaut]

Did you mean to write something there?

Obviously, yes. I find posting in the absence of BB code more difficult than with it.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

I know what a strike is. Likelihood is that some labour will be withdrawn; there are ways of doing that without lives being threatened.

Ok, so what the the RCN seem to be saying is that lives are at risk because there is not enough staff in the NHS. So to fix that they are intending to reduce the available workforce on strike days but it will be just as safe as what they are saying is unsafe now There is no way to further reduce a depleted workforce and keep it safe. If you really believe there is you need to have a word with yourself.

What is the RCN's actual intent?

Achieving an inflation +5% pay rise, which is 16%.

 

[newfhouse]

It is a strike ballot. Striking is union members withdrawing labour.

Don't come whinging on here when you watch your family member die because there is no nurse to do what needs to be done, although apparently this is just 'nonsense'. Nurses are not like train drivers and postal workers, if they don't go to work a train doesn't run or you don't get a letter, if a nurse doesn't go to work the elderly do not get medicines at home and die (insulin is not an optional medicine), dressings don't get changed, ITUs will work with 1 nurse to 3 or 4 pts instead of 1:1, surgery stops etc, you think it's bad now? Take out the largest patient care delivery workforce in the NHS and watch what happens next

What’s your alternative plan? I mean it’s all very well trying to be clever and diverting blame from the employer but you haven’t actually said what you would do to ensure that all nurses are paid fairly.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

What’s your alternative plan? I mean it’s all very well trying to be clever and diverting blame from the employer but you haven’t actually said what you would do to ensure that all nurses are paid fairly.

I am not diverting blame from anyone am I?

I am simply pointing out that nurses, probably like Police, striking has a very definite impact on most of your lives. You have been clear though that striking is a valuable right. So when your kid dies because one of my colleagues is stood outside with a placard you will be completely chill with that right?

How come I have to answer all your questions, but not one of you has said that they are willing to accept a death in your family because a nurse is stood outside? The reality we have seen this year. P&O sack workers, you all went up in arms and said the country would deal with P&O harshly, now within 4 months P&O have full ferries doing their thing at top speed, no-one gives a shit about those 850 or so sacked workers.

Another reality is that the nurses will go on strike with huge public good will, then the deaths will begin, remember 1:1 nursing in ITU is there for a reason, a patient in ITU simply dies without constant care, no ifs and buts. After a few days there will be radio phone ins with grizzling relatives saying how their baby has died and instantly it will become the nurses fault. The RCN are playing a game that they can never win and will just lead to nurses being abused.

 

[Deleted member 49]

It isn't nonsense, the RCN are backing strike action.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Ne...ers-urged-to-support-industrial-action-090822

Shame you weren't so bothered when you decided to vote for this fecking joke of a goverment ! It's nonsense that they've had real term pay cuts year on year,working long hours right through the pandemic and what thanks do they get... struggling to pay bills,can't afford to heat their homes.Whas the solution another jumper and suck it up ?
Solidarity should be where your at ...not playing the Mails game of blackmail !

 

[Bromptonaut]

Another reality is that the nurses will go on strike with huge public good will, then the deaths will begin, remember 1:1 nursing in ITU is there for a reason, a patient in ITU simply dies without constant care, no ifs and buts. After a few days there will be radio phone ins with grizzling relatives saying how their baby has died and instantly it will become the nurses fault. The RCN are playing a game that they can never win and will just lead to nurses being abused.

Where is the evidence that the RCN is proposing to withdraw labour in ICUs?

 

[Mugshot]

It is a strike ballot. Striking is union members withdrawing labour.

Don't come whinging on here when you watch your family member die because there is no nurse to do what needs to be done, although apparently this is just 'nonsense'. Nurses are not like train drivers and postal workers, if they don't go to work a train doesn't run or you don't get a letter, if a nurse doesn't go to work the elderly do not get medicines at home and die (insulin is not an optional medicine), dressings don't get changed, ITUs will work with 1 nurse to 3 or 4 pts instead of 1:1, surgery stops etc, you think it's bad now? Take out the largest patient care delivery workforce in the NHS and watch what happens next.

The RCN are in cloud cuckoo land, they are demanding 5% over inflation, which is 11% (ish), so a 16% pay rise.

But remember, you are all in favour of striking to get what you want, so I am expecting 100% backing of the nurses no matter how many people you all love die.

Let the bodies pile high in their thousands huh?
Sounds like a Tory policy, surprised you're not all for it.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Where is the evidence that the RCN is proposing to withdraw labour in ICUs?

In which case, what is the point of a strike? Are you suggesting withdrawing labour by not withdrawing their labour?

They are suggesting Christmas Day and night shift levels of staffing. Which is lower than normal, which is already lower than normal.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Let the bodies pile high in their thousands huh?
Sounds like a Tory policy, surprised you're not all for it.

When the hell did I say that? In fact I have been pretty bloody consistent that there should be no strikes, so exactly the opposite.