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icowden

Squire
It is a strike ballot. Striking is union members withdrawing labour.
Actually it isn't. It is a threat to withdraw Labour.
The strike is quite avoidable if the government talks to the Union and agrees a pay deal.

Unfortunately our government is universally incompetent. Hence the NHS is collapsing, the Justice system is on its knees, Education is at a low ebb etc etc. The best they have to offer is removing your rights and taxing the poor because freeports.
 
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deptfordmarmoset

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jowwy

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Yes, a reduction in ITU staffing levels is possible, and ITU isn't the only place in a hospital that has very sick people.

so its possible but not guranteed?? everything in life is possible, doesnt mean it will happen though
 

Craig the cyclist

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what does current salary have to do with pay rises???

Have you had a serious head injury at any point?

If current salary is not relevant then how will anyone know what they want as their new salary?
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
A reduction in staffing levels is guaranteed if there is a strike, otherwise there would be no point would there?

The question is to what level.

but you said only possibly for ITU staff?? so is it possibly or a guarantee??
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
Have you had a serious head injury at any point?

If current salary is not relevant then how will anyone know what they want as their new salary?

salary is important, but just because someone is on 110k does that mean they shouldnt get a pay rise?? cause thats what your post is insinuating
 

icowden

Squire
She is on £110,000 and she wants a 16% pay rise!?!?!
Unlikely. @PaulB said she works as a Nurse not that she is Chief Executive or Clinical Director.
When a pay rise is applied to the NHS it applies across the whole NHS Pay Scale not just at the bottom.
It is possible that she is trying to support the newer, younger Nurses who are leaving the profession because of the poor pay.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Who care's, Sue Me
Unlikely. @PaulB said she works as a Nurse not that she is Chief Executive or Clinical Director.
When a pay rise is applied to the NHS it applies across the whole NHS Pay Scale not just at the bottom.
It is possible that she is trying to support the newer, younger Nurses who are leaving the profession because of the poor pay.

yup, average salary of a senior nurse is 40k....so looks like craig the cyclist is not very good well of information on the NHS or the strikes. keeps swinging from possibly to guaranteed and now saying a nurse cant have a pay rise. Typical Tory lover
 

winjim

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40k is not the salary of 'as senior a nurse as you can get'. NHS jobs currently has vacancies for senior nurses at band 8b which is up to 65k. The 109k claim depends on what you call nursing I suppose. There are band 9 jobs which require nursing qualifications and registration.
 
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Craig the cyclist

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My wife's about as senior a nurse as you can get
Paul said this, which would mean Chief Nurse or Director of Nursing or therabouts. So easily an 8D or a 9. Up to £110,000
Unlikely. @PaulB said she works as a Nurse not that she is Chief Executive or Clinical Director.
You are still a nurse if you are a Director/Chief/Head of.

yup, average salary of a senior nurse is 40k
Ok, right. Just for clarity, how would you define a 'senior nurse'?

I know you all enjoy having a pop at me, but to be clear, I think nurses striking is wrong. We get paid adequately for our roles (feel free to point out I would say that, I am a very senior nurse now). We have fallen behind a bit, but we chose the NHS as our employer, there are lots of higher paid nursing jobs out there.

If we were truly going to be paid for what we produce our pay would be a lot less as we produce nothing, everything we do costs lots of money and generates £0. However if you paid us for what we bring to you when you need us (I saved a mans life about 4 weeks ago who had suffered a heart attack 2 weeks before his daughters wedding) then you would pay us £000,000s, just an unlimited pot of cash.

The RCN is leading nurses into a lions den with a loin cloth for protection. We will demand something daft, the RCN will not have the stomach for the proper miners style fight, other unions will be more or less militant which will cause friction, individual nurses will buckle when they see their patients and colleagues come to harm and the public will not thank us for using the good will we have built up as a bargaining tool for more cash.

The reality is that most nurses won't strike in any way that is meaningful. We have lost before we even started :surrender:
 
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