Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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- Bugbrooke, Northants
Do you follow the idea of selective action?
Strike!
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Craig the cyclist
Über Member
Of course, as I just said they are suggesting that running services like Christmas Day and nights, but the day is not like the night and a Monday in August is not like Christmas Day. So when someone goes on strike, but other members of the team don't, how do you think that will pan out post industrial action?
Imagine all those 'scabs' going in to work and the grief they will get, and probably not just from nurses on the picket line, but other people who are going along to support the strike.
The RCN has not thought this through, they are not going to get a 16% pay increase they will lose to that demand and a ton of public goodwill.
But still, none of you has said they will back they strike no matter what the outcome may be to patients. Would you now like to make an unequivocal declaration that any price is worth paying for patients in an effort to get a 16% pay rise?
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
I'm not sure even the RCN's 'militants' back a strike no matter what the outcome may be to patients.
The point I'm making is that 'shroud waving' over patient deaths misrepresents what is proposed.
Craig the cyclist
Über Member
Do you understand what is proposed?
Do you back a strike, no matter what the outcomes?
D
Deleted member 49
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100% !
Craig the cyclist
Über Member
At least you are happy to nail your colours to a mast.
D
Deleted member 49
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Never been any different and don't intend changing anytime soon.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
It's you who has raised the issue of patient deaths. So far as I can tell you're an RCN member so are in a better place than me, a Welfare Rights Adviser, to explain what's proposed. Does that include waling out if ITU?
A yes/no answer would oblige.
And, fwiw, no I do not support strikes irrespective of outcome.
Craig the cyclist
Über Member
I have pointed out twice now, posts 389 and 392, that they are suggesting night and Christmas Day levels of staffing.
If you think that means the same level of care available to ill patients as during the normal 7-9 working day, you clearly have never worked in a hospital. The basics will be there, but there will be no-one to move you to diagnostics, fewer people to take you blood, no-one to go to case conferences, the DN teams typically have 0 people on at night, so that will be very interesting.
Getting the idea now?
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
Selective action but no withdrawal of ITU support then.
D
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Could just pay them properly....just a idea.
PaulB
Active Member
We can't have anything revolutionary like that though, can we?
My wife's about as senior a nurse as you can get and she is backing the call for stronger action all the way.
She's currently working with a broken arm as to take any time off (and she was fully entitled to six weeks) would deplete the service that she's trying to run on fumes. They are about 20-25% of full staff capacity due to massive cuts and low morale because of the effective wage reductions they've had to endure over the last twelve years.
She isn't militant in any way but is now sick to the back teeth of their good will and vocational need to nurse being systematically exploited and abused.
Working in conjunction with the Health Service myself and having done so for the past forty years, I have to say I've never seen anything this bad before. We're now seeing a lot of nurses on the wards and in other hospital departments who are clearly too old to do the work they are being forced to do. Ridiculously low pensions and having to wait until 66/67 to receive the state pension has forced these nurses back into uniform. It's like seeing Dad's Army being brought forward and armed and pushed onto the front line of major battles in the war.
