Strike!

[Deleted member 49]

Yes

Train drivers....Train guards you do know the difference don't you ? Your argument is bollox anyway.All over Europe,Australia blah blah.As Crofted said above I've been to Italy recently and there's guards on every train.How about just getting a half decent train service in this country that's affordable to people to use ?
But it's not really the point is it.Its just one of the conditions that your trying and failing to highlight.Why the feck would a union want to agree to a rise with the clause of redundancies? Do you think it's members would be happy with that.Your modernising means less staff,working more for less pay.Youve got feck all of a argument and you know it

 

[Tanis8472]

Germany definitely has others besides drivers.
I made mistake of not validating my ticket a few years ago. Inspector/guard was good about it, me being an annoying forriner

 

[Mr Celine]

Germany definitely has others besides drivers.
I made mistake of not validating my ticket a few years ago. Inspector/guard was good about it, me being an annoying forriner

I made a similar error on a train from Copenhagen. The guard realised I'd made a simple error and explained in perfect English what I'd done wrong. He then checked the tickets at the next table, where the passengers were German, and had made the same error I had. After shouting at them in Danish he switched to comically bad English and threatened to throw them off the train!

 

[winjim]

Picture of the guard in question.

 

[qigong chimp]

Yes but to be fair to Craig I went on a narrow gauge at a petting zoo in Portugal, and again on a funicular at a Lithuanian Baltic resort, and neither had a guard.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Yes but to be fair to Craig I went on a narrow gauge at a petting zoo in Portugal, and again on a funicular at a Lithuanian Baltic resort, and neither had a guard.

No bombing....No heavy petting,you sure it was a Zoo ?

 

[Deleted member 49]

The Italians are pretty harsh on the validating tickets,was running late for the train from Bergamo to Como a few months ago and didn't validate.I was prepared to play the tourist abroad no understand until a Japanese couple in our compartment got hit with a big fine,sure it was 60 euro ? Quick thinking we jumped off at the next station.Spent a hour in a local bar and jumped back on the next train.
Partner didn't speak to me for the rest of the day....

 

[PaulB]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/11/nhs-strikes-nurses-pay

The wrongly-named James Cleverley refuses to negotiate with nurses even after they went out of their way to bring peace to the situation. Like every spineless 'Health Secretary' before him, he will continue to exploit the good-will and all-round decency of (most) nurses (not the pretend one who posts on here) and will probably think he's got the upper hand here and see this as a sign of weakness. It's not, it's a sign of good-will and all-round decency which he will continue to exploit. And so it goes.

 

[Bromptonaut]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/11/nhs-strikes-nurses-pay

The wrongly-named James Cleverley refuses to negotiate with nurses even after they went out of their way to bring peace to the situation. Like every spineless 'Health Secretary' before him, he will continue to exploit the good-will and all-round decency of (most) nurses (not the pretend one who posts on here) and will probably think he's got the upper hand here and see this as a sign of weakness. It's not, it's a sign of good-will and all-round decency which he will continue to exploit. And so it goes.

'Cleverly' is not even the Health Secretary. He just happened to be the duty talking head on the Sunday broadcast round.

Not for the first time he's talking bollox. This time about about the review bodies. These make recommendations to government. The government is free to do something different and has, in the past, chosen to pay awards in stages where it thinks them too generous.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Why aren't there a ton of people being killed by them every week?

Incidents with people trapped in the doors under DOO operation are a thing though:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...34/D052022_221006_North_London_PTI_events.pdf

 

[Craig the cyclist]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/11/nhs-strikes-nurses-pay

The wrongly-named James Cleverley refuses to negotiate with nurses even after they went out of their way to bring peace to the situation. Like every spineless 'Health Secretary' before him, he will continue to exploit the good-will and all-round decency of (most) nurses (not the pretend one who posts on here) and will probably think he's got the upper hand here and see this as a sign of weakness. It's not, it's a sign of good-will and all-round decency which he will continue to exploit. And so it goes.

Maybe Wes Streeting would be the better person to negotiate with? Obviously he has said that the pay demand is unrealistic, he wants the nurses to accept the PRB award (around 4% I think), then modernise, develop a can-do attitude and he is almost relishing a tussle with the BMA. He could almost be a Conservative health minister

Anyway, we are ready for this coming month, have any of you already pre-paid funerals for your loved ones, remember, no whining when people start dying, it's all in a glorious (but totally futile) cause

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Incidents with people trapped in the doors under DOO operation are a thing though:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...34/D052022_221006_North_London_PTI_events.pdf

From the article................
"None of the passengers involved were later identified, but there is no indication that any of them were injured during these incidents."

Sound bloody horrific don't they?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Anyway, we are ready for this coming month, have any of you already pre-paid funerals for your loved ones, remember, no whining when people start dying, it's all in a glorious (but totally futile) cause

Pathetic.

 

[newfhouse]

Obviously he has said that the pay demand is unrealistic, he wants the nurses to accept the PRB award (around 4% I think),

What effect will 4% have on recruitment and retention? Will patient mortality be improved or diminished?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

What effect will 4% have on recruitment and retention? Will patient mortality be improved or diminished?

How much we get paid will have no impact on mortality at all. I don't think nurses will save more peoples lives if they get paid a few pounds more each month.