The Good News Only - thread...

[Mr Celine]

It's where we get our puns from....

Caerphilly now...

 

[Fab Foodie]

Caerphilly now...

You'll brie lucky....

 

[Ian H]

Can't beat Spoonies for value though.

Wetherspoons couldn't be cheap enough to be good value. I cite my unwise ordering of a Spoons' breakfast in Salisbury. The hotel was perfectly good, the beer was cheap and okay, if of limited variety. We dined elsewhere, but decided on their breakfast before an early start. £3.50 for a full-English and it really was not worth any money.

Edit: the good news was that the Thai restaurant around the corner was very good and accommodating of a large party of raucous cyclists.

 

[PaulB]

A man has been blocked from competing against women in the Omnium.

 

[winjim]

A man has been blocked from competing against women in the Omnium.

She's a trans woman. Get out of here with your misgendering transphobic bullshit. Honestly, on the 'good news' thread? You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[PaulB]

She's a trans woman. Get out of here with your misgendering transphobic bullshit. Honestly, on the 'good news' thread? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Well, I'm not. Not in the slightest.

 

[Beebo]

Well, I'm not. Not in the slightest.

please don’t debase the issue by calling her a man. She’s not a man.

Whether she should be allowed to complete against biological females is a separate issue which we have discussed numerous times. The conclusion of the discussion tends to be that it’s impossible to square that circle without compromising one group in favour of another.

If you want to discuss it further then start a new thread.

 

[winjim]

please don’t debase the issue by calling her a man. She’s not a man.

Whether she should be allowed to complete against biological females is a separate issue which we have discussed numerous times. The conclusion of the discussion tends to be that it’s impossible to square that circle without compromising one group in favour of another.

If you want to discuss it further then start a new thread.

It's a perfectly legitimate discussion to have, but it should be one that's possible to have without resorting to transphobia.

To mention it in the way it was, on this particular thread of all places, is deliberately using someone's personal situation for the purposes of trolling.

 

[PaulB]

please don’t debase the issue by calling her a man. She’s not a man.

Whether she should be allowed to complete against biological females is a separate issue which we have discussed numerous times. The conclusion of the discussion tends to be that it’s impossible to square that circle without compromising one group in favour of another.

If you want to discuss it further then start a new thread.

I disagree. Many female cyclists regard this as good news and that's because - for them - it is.

Bridges set a national junior men’s record over 25 miles in 2018 and was due to compete against several British Olympians, including Dame Laura Kenny, in her first race in the women’s category. However the UCI ruled the 21-year-old, who began hormone therapy last year to reduce her testosterone levels, was currently not compliant with its regulations as she is still registered as a male cyclist – and therefore cannot compete as a woman until her male UCI ID expires.

The UCI’s decision came amid a growing backlash from within the sport, with the Guardian understanding that a number of female riders were talking about boycotting the event in Derby because they felt that Bridges, who was on the Great Britain Academy programme as a male rider until being dropped in 2020, had an unfair advantage.

By your rationale, anyone missing out on an Olympic place could go out and buy a wheelchair and try for selection on the Paralympic team.

 

[mudsticks]

I disagree. Many female cyclists regard this as good news and that's because - for them - it is.

Bridges set a national junior men’s record over 25 miles in 2018 and was due to compete against several British Olympians, including Dame Laura Kenny, in her first race in the women’s category. However the UCI ruled the 21-year-old, who began hormone therapy last year to reduce her testosterone levels, was currently not compliant with its regulations as she is still registered as a male cyclist – and therefore cannot compete as a woman until her male UCI ID expires.

The UCI’s decision came amid a growing backlash from within the sport, with the Guardian understanding that a number of female riders were talking about boycotting the event in Derby because they felt that Bridges, who was on the Great Britain Academy programme as a male rider until being dropped in 2020, had an unfair advantage.

By your rationale, anyone missing out on an Olympic place could go out and buy a wheelchair and try for selection on the Paralympic team.

Not particularly directed at you Paul but this seems to be an area where men who stay very silent , or even dismissive of all kinds of other difficulties faced as women, suddenly get very vocal.

So far we've demonstrated many times over that there isn't sufficient knowledge sensitivity or space on these boards to discuss this matter properly.

It would be great if a few more guys could start by practicing on what we might call the nursery slopes with women's rights..

Just basic stuff like the right to live without fear of violence,
Equal pay.

Equal political, and legal rights actually implented.

Reproductive rights, bodily autonomy .

Etc etc.

Those issues generally get ignored, deflected from, or dismissed as unimportant if brought up.

In the meantime, at the risk of getting all territorial on 'my' thread .

No transphobic speech on the 'Good News' thread .

Ta very much

 

[BoldonLad]

I disagree. Many female cyclists regard this as good news and that's because - for them - it is.

Bridges set a national junior men’s record over 25 miles in 2018 and was due to compete against several British Olympians, including Dame Laura Kenny, in her first race in the women’s category. However the UCI ruled the 21-year-old, who began hormone therapy last year to reduce her testosterone levels, was currently not compliant with its regulations as she is still registered as a male cyclist – and therefore cannot compete as a woman until her male UCI ID expires.

The UCI’s decision came amid a growing backlash from within the sport, with the Guardian understanding that a number of female riders were talking about boycotting the event in Derby because they felt that Bridges, who was on the Great Britain Academy programme as a male rider until being dropped in 2020, had an unfair advantage.

By your rationale, anyone missing out on an Olympic place could go out and buy a wheelchair and try for selection on the Paralympic team.

Based on the post you quoted, when making the bolded statement, could you explain how you reached this conclusion?

I don't follow the Olympics, or sport in general, but, enlighten me, are all Paralympanians wheelchair users?

 

[Milkfloat]

I disagree. Many female cyclists regard this as good news and that's because - for them - it is.

Bridges set a national junior men’s record over 25 miles in 2018 and was due to compete against several British Olympians, including Dame Laura Kenny, in her first race in the women’s category. However the UCI ruled the 21-year-old, who began hormone therapy last year to reduce her testosterone levels, was currently not compliant with its regulations as she is still registered as a male cyclist – and therefore cannot compete as a woman until her male UCI ID expires.

The UCI’s decision came amid a growing backlash from within the sport, with the Guardian understanding that a number of female riders were talking about boycotting the event in Derby because they felt that Bridges, who was on the Great Britain Academy programme as a male rider until being dropped in 2020, had an unfair advantage.

By your rationale, anyone missing out on an Olympic place could go out and buy a wheelchair and try for selection on the Paralympic team.

What are you disagreeing with? You were quite rightly pulled up for calling her a man. Whether or not she should be allowed to compete against other women is a different, more nuanced issue, calling her a man is just trolling or being ignorant.

 

[matticus]

To mention it in the way it was, on this particular thread of all places, is deliberately using someone's personal situation for the purposes of trolling.

Aren't most of the posts here some form of provocative comment on someone's personal situation (usually some misfortune - such as being prosecuted or sacked etc) ?

 

[Unkraut]

please don’t debase the issue by calling her a man. She’s not a man.

I reckon it is impossible to say what he or she is. After all, Biden is nominating a woman (whatever that means) for the Supreme Court who cannot answer the question what a woman is. One assumes Biden must have had some idea what this difficult word means when proposing her. Not easy in this enlightened age.

It's a perfectly legitimate discussion to have, but it should be one that's possible to have without resorting to transphobia.

You need to define transphobia, as the ~phobia suffix is added it seems to me where any criticism, however reasoned, can be safely ignored as 'hate' speech. Emoting triumphs over thinking. You only need to see the verbal abuse and reviling of J K Rowling for an example of this.

I have to agree with PaulB that this is good news for women's sport and I find it extraordinary when women don't agree with this.

 

[winjim]

Could the transphobes please start their own thread so I can put it on ignore? It would save this one from being polluted any more than it has been.

Thank you.