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icowden

Squire
Now this is good news!
And there was me thinking that it was just that he'd run out of classical composers to rip off..
 

Beebo

Guru
And there was me thinking that it was just that he'd run out of classical composers to rip off..

One of my music teachers used to work for him in the 80s.
He hated him, and said the just ripped off other people’s music, or came up with a very basic tune and expected others to do all the complicated orchestration to turn it into something decent.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
One of my music teachers used to work for him in the 80s.
He hated him, and said the just ripped off other people’s music, or came up with a very basic tune and expected others to do all the complicated orchestration to turn it into something decent.

I'll bet that the multi millionaire writer of extremely popular musicals that have filled out theatres all over the world for 40 years will be absolutely devastated from that put down by a music teacher to one of his pupils.

I've also heard that Lewis Hamilton is rubbish at the wheel of a Fiat Panda and would never win a race if he didn't have help from a team of mechanics to do the complicated stuff.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
Ooh! I think we've upset a Lloyd-Webber fan.

Tbh I hate most musicals and their overblown anthems, including those of Lloyd-Webber, although I did go to see and enjoy Hair more than 50 years ago and Guys and Dolls in Cardiff about seven years ago.

I do, however, really enjoy the criticisms of hugely successful people by possibly not quite so successful experts/critics. :notworthy:
 

Ian H

Legendary Member
Tbh I hate most musicals and their overblown anthems, including those of Lloyd-Webber, although I did go to see and enjoy Hair more than 50 years ago and Guys and Dolls in Cardiff about seven years ago.

I do, however, really enjoy the criticisms of hugely successful people by possibly not quite so successful experts/critics. :notworthy:

So does crap art become immune to criticism if the artist has made lots of money from it?
 

icowden

Squire
He hated him, and said the just ripped off other people’s music, or came up with a very basic tune and expected others to do all the complicated orchestration to turn it into something decent.
To be fair, that's pretty normal practice. It's rare that the writer of a musical does the orchestration.
https://www.musicalwriters.com/musi... writers,rather limited number of instruments.

And to be fair to ALW he often works quite closely with his orchestrator (or at least takes credit). For example Phantom was orchestrated by David Cullen and ALW. In fact David Cullen does all of ALWs orchestration.

ALW is a populist writer. He knows how to nick a catchy tune and repurpose it, and knows that most of his audience won't have listened to it. The reason that musical theatre lovers tend to regard his stuff as poor quality or trashy is that, particularly in his more recent musicals, his pioneering technique of bludgeoning the audience repeatedly with the same tune has become a bit naff and the music doesn't change with the mood of the musical - it becomes a bit like musical wallpaper, and very predictable.
 
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