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AndyRM

Elder Goth
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multitool

Pharaoh
Of Mice and Men is being taken off the syllabus for GCSE English in Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge922jn1z8o

I despair at this kind of utter horsesh!t. Aside from being a fantastic book, the whole point of teaching and discussing it is an important lesson in how values and language evolves.

"Ms Cifuentes said many black children had "specifically mentioned this text and the harm that it caused them" when she spoke to them as part of research on racism in secondary schools."

Cheers for the whitesplaining though, Andy.
 

icowden

Squire
Of Mice and Men is being taken off the syllabus for GCSE English in Wales.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge922jn1z8o

I particularly enjoyed the sterling piece of journalism where they went to get some opinions from current school children and just chose Harry, Celyn and Jack. GIven the piece is largely about how black children might feel when the book is being discussed, asking 3 white kids was a fantastic piece of journalism.
 

C R

Veteran
Re the alleged whitesplainig by @AndyRM. My children have mentioned that some of the kids in their classes seemed to quote the passages with derogatory language with glee. My children were annoyed by the glee, and so seemed to be many other children in the class. This is in a school with very few minority children. In general, other than for a couple of knuckle draggers in each class, my children reported that it was understood in the class why the language was used.

I talked about this with a Cameroonian colleague, who had left her previous job because of a racist and misogynist manager. She was of two minds about how to deal with books like Of Mice and Men or Huckleberry Finn. She recognised that idiots will take advantage of the class setting to use words that would normally get them in trouble, and that is a problem. On the other hand, reading those books is important to understand how people were treated at the time the book was written, and that was the language being used. So on balance, rather than removing the book from the syllabus, more effort should be put on contextualising the work, and showing how the authors are highlighting the social oppression of the characters.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Re the alleged whitesplainig by @AndyRM. My children have mentioned that some of the kids in their classes seemed to quote the passages with derogatory language with glee. My children were annoyed by the glee, and so seemed to be many other children in the class. This is in a school with very few minority children. In general, other than for a couple of knuckle draggers in each class, my children reported that it was understood in the class why the language was used.

I talked about this with a Cameroonian colleague, who had left her previous job because of a racist and misogynist manager. She was of two minds about how to deal with books like Of Mice and Men or Huckleberry Finn. She recognised that idiots will take advantage of the class setting to use words that would normally get them in trouble, and that is a problem. On the other hand, reading those books is important to understand how people were treated at the time the book was written, and that was the language being used. So on balance, rather than removing the book from the syllabus, more effort should be put on contextualising the work, and showing how the authors are highlighting the social oppression of the characters.

Exactly this.

Hardly whitesplaining.
 

BoldonLad

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I particularly enjoyed the sterling piece of journalism where they went to get some opinions from current school children and just chose Harry, Celyn and Jack. GIven the piece is largely about how black children might feel when the book is being discussed, asking 3 white kids was a fantastic piece of journalism.

Not sure I get your point?, are there only white children with names Harry, Celyn and Jack?
 
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