The Nasty Party (AKA the Tories), it's back!

[multitool]

The same way Brenda refused de Pfeffel's prorrogation request?

Not equivalent in any way. There was little uproar about the prorogation because the only people who cared about it were those pushing for a 2nd ref on Brexit...and they were a minority. Remember this was 2019, and a couple of months before the GE that saw Johnson come in with a huge majority off the back of the Brexit wave.

A General election desired by a majority who want to kick out the incumbent party is a polar opposite.

 

[C R]

Not equivalent in any way.

How so?

 

[multitool]

see above

 

[C R]

Not equivalent in any way. There was little uproar about the prorogation because the only people who cared about it were those pushing for a 2nd ref on Brexit...and they were a minority. Remember this was 2019, and a couple of months before the GE that saw Johnson come in with a huge majority off the back of the Brexit wave.

A General election desired by a majority who want to kick out the incumbent party is a polar opposite.

I admire your optimism.

 

[multitool]

Can you point to a time when an election was cancelled in any major democracy?

It's not going to happen, CR. This is the United Kingdom.

If the government tried to cancel an election the people would get so angry they might almost say something.

 

[C R]

Can you point to a time when an election was cancelled in any major democracy?

It's not going to happen, CR. This is the United Kingdom.

If the government tried to cancel an election the people would get so angry they might almost say something.

I hope you are right.

 

[multitool]

I hope you are right.

Seriously, calm down. Barring sone sort of international outbreak of war, the Tories will be ejected by the end of the year and shat into oblivion by a furious electorate.

If you think Sunak's speech is some sort of grand plan to stage a coup, you only have to ask yourself if they have shown the requisite competence, cohesion and imagination at any point during their administration

 

[C R]

Seriously, calm down. Barring sone sort of international outbreak of war, the Tories will be ejected by the end of the year and shat into oblivion by a furious electorate.

If you think Sunak's speech is some sort of grand plan to stage a coup, you only have to ask yourself if they have shown the requisite competence, cohesion and imagination at any point during their administration

They don't need any of those qualities, they didn't need them for brexit. They just need bad faith, the will to go through with it and a timorous opposition.

 

[BoldonLad]

Seriously, calm down. Barring sone sort of international outbreak of war, the Tories will be ejected by the end of the year and shat into oblivion by a furious electorate.

If you think Sunak's speech is some sort of grand plan to stage a coup, you only have to ask yourself if they have shown the requisite competence, cohesion and imagination at any point during their administration

Yes, indeed, this seals it for me!

 

[BoldonLad]

It would be nice if he directed the message to those of his own party that have made a career out of it and brought it into the mainstream.

Indeed, it needs to be directed to everyone.

 

[multitool]

They don't need any of those qualities, they didn't need them for brexit. They just need bad faith, the will to go through with it and a timorous opposition.

The Tories didn't bring Brexit in. They proposed the referendum because they thought there was no chance of a Brexit vote succeeding.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

The Tories didn't bring Brexit in. They proposed the referendum because they thought there was no chance of a Brexit vote succeeding.

They implemented what was only an advisory referendum, grabbing it with both hands and running hard with it.

 

[multitool]

They implemented what was only an advisory referendum, grabbing it with both hands and running hard with it.

They implemented it because they had to. Once they realised that it could be used as a massive wedge, opportunists like Johnson seized upon it.

All of which us evidence of the fractured nature of the Tory party. The big difference between then and now is that they had a large majority of the electorate behind them. Now it's a large majority of the electorate against them.

There isn't going to be a coup.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

they had to

They didn’t.

They chose to.

 

[multitool]

You are re-writing history there. The 'advisory' thing was done to death at the time