The Queen / The Monarchy

[matticus]

Oh ok, "I hate the motherfookers" doesn't really mean that then.

Got it now, like not liking sprouts I suppose.

"Sprouts, I hate those motherfookers".

I'm getting there.

Yes; it seems to be like a 6-year-old talks.

I hate bread crusts!
I hate walking up hills!
I hate you mum!

 

[Deleted member 28]

Yes; it seems to be like a 6-year-old talks.

I hate bread crusts!
I hate walking up hills!
I hate you mum!

Best to handle them in the same way I suppose and let them lie on the floor kicking their legs.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Therein lies the rub.

The way in which affects you may not be apparent. It may take living outside of a society with such an entrenched (and effectively constitutional) aristocratic hierarchy to undo the indoctrination.

I'm all ears, I suppose unless I move to said society I'll never know.

In the meantime It seems pretty pointless 'hating' things you'll never change, unless of course it's just more signalling.

Bring on May 6th.

 

[multitool]

All of that is true, but that is part of our history. They represent history. Isn't it better to have our history on display and say "we know these things about our history - we are doing better" than not to have that history displayed at all?

Ah. A statue-shagger that thinks statues are history.

 

[multitool]

Get a better job then, or do you think society owes you something?

That really is one of the thickest retorts I've seen for some time. Where does one start with that. It could be the rampant individualism. It could be the economic and sociological illiteracy.

And that is before you come to the realisation that somebody who posts something like that is unlikely to understand the answer.

 

[icowden]

Ah. A statue-shagger that thinks statues are history.

Last time I looked, the Royal family weren't statues. Are you thinking of Narnia perhaps?

 

[icowden]

'On average' 😏
Tells us nothing about wealth inequality.
UK has the worst wealth inequality in Western Europe. Also the only western European nation with an entrenched constitutional monarchy.

I didn't say that it did. What I said was that a fairly well regarded study from 2018 into monarchy vs democratic republics had found that on balance monarchies were a little bit better, and that on average people who lived in them were £600 per annum better off than those who don't.

Clearly that study will not have taken into account a global pandemic, wat in Ukraine and the full effects of Brexit upon the UK. It also makes no comment on wealth inequality.

I thought you were an expert in not reading into other people's posts? You get very defensive when people do this to yours. Are we back to pot and kettle?

 

[multitool]

I didn't say that it did. What I said was that a fairly well regarded study from 2018 into monarchy vs democratic republics had found that on balance monarchies were a little bit better, and that on average people who lived in them were £600 per annum better off than those who don't.

Clearly that study will not have taken into account a global pandemic, wat in Ukraine and the full effects of Brexit upon the UK. It also makes no comment on wealth inequality.

I thought you were an expert in not reading into other people's posts? You get very defensive when people do this to yours. Are we back to pot and kettle?

I didn't say that you said it did. But I'm not surprised to see you put up this strawman.

You rarely post anything of merit or interest, but it would be nice if, just for once, you tried.

 

[multitool]

Last time I looked, the Royal family weren't statues. Are you thinking of Narnia perhaps?

I used the term 'statues' figuratively.

Figuratively means a use to indicate a departure from a literal use of words, or in other words metaphorically.

The relationship of statues to history is the same as the relationship of the monarchy to history.

 

[Deleted member 28]

That really is one of the thickest retorts I've seen for some time. Where does one start with that. It could be the rampant individualism. It could be the economic and sociological illiteracy.

And that is before you come to the realisation that somebody who posts something like that is unlikely to understand the answer.

Why's that then?

Do you think society owes you something?

Enlighten me.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Ah. A statue-shagger that thinks statues are history.

Statue shaggers now, that's a new one.

You really do have some issues there my boy, please tell us, who were you in your last incarnation.

I'm betting a sad, overweight gamer from north of the border with a fear of socialising, am I close?

 

[multitool]

Why's that then?

Do you think society owes you something?

Enlighten me.

Wealth inequality will not be improved by people "getting better jobs". Wealth inequality is a structural problem, not an individual problem with solutions at an individual level. The monarchy is part of that structure.

And I really can't be arsed, because your entire approach on this forum is as a reactionary who tries to present ignorance as a virtue. If I wanted to have a conversation at this level I'd hang about in a Wetherspoons or in a bookies.

 

[multitool]

Statue shaggers now, that's a new one.

You really do have some issues there my boy, please tell us, who were you in your last incarnation.

I'm betting a sad, overweight gamer from north of the border with a fear of socialising, am I close?

That's me in a nutshell.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Wealth inequality will not be improved by people "getting better jobs". Wealth inequality is a structural problem, not an individual problem.

And I can't be arsed, because your entire approach on this forum is reactionary and tries to present ignorance as a virtue.

It may well be but hasn't it always been that way, those with better jobs are wealthier than those with poorer jobs so what would you do about that?

Increase minimum wage for a start but who pays for that, everyone at the tills, which is fine but people like you just then come back with "let the rich pay".

 

[Deleted member 28]

That's me in a nutshell.

Thought as much, found your voice lately by the sounds of things at least.