The UK’s broken asylum system

[BoldonLad]

An ideal would include basing benefit on actual market rent, even if slewed to the cheaper end of the market, allied with a degree of rent control.

So that won't happen......

But, effectively, that will push rents up. Who is going to be foolish enough to offer a rental BELOW the actual market rent?

 

[the snail]

She'll only get three beds if she needs them, they won't be in a semi, and under LHA she'll be topping up the rent from money meant to provide for the physical needs of herself and her kids.

Let me ask again; do you know about private lets and LHA?

Pale Rider is a classic example of the conservative mindset, characterised by a total inability to understand the world around them.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Pale Rider is a classic example of the conservative mindset, characterised by a total inability to understand the world around them.

Is the inability real or feigned for effect?

 

[newfhouse]

inability

I reckon if he tried and tried and tried he could probably manage it. It’s more unwillingness, I think.

 

[Pale Rider]

Pale Rider is a classic example of the conservative mindset, characterised by a total inability to understand the world around them.

Perhaps you had better tell us all what about the situation of the woman in the story I don't understand.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Perhaps you had better tell us all what about the situation of the woman in the story I don't understand.

I'll bite.

You seem to think we were generous.

I'm sure I've asked before but how much would this woman and her child have for food etc every week while in Asylum Accom provided through Serco or whatever?

 

[Pale Rider]

I'll bite.

You seem to think we were generous.

I'm sure I've asked before but how much would this woman and her child have for food etc every week while in Asylum Accom provided through Serco or whatever?

As far as I know, women with children do better as asylum seekers than single males.

Thus the lass in the Guardian story was in a position, either by luck or design, to get the best out of the asylum system.

That must include suitable accommodation for a mother and child, enough money to live on, and free education and healthcare.

To me, given the starting point is our country does literally nothing for her, what he have done is reasonably generous.

I wonder what she would get if she pitched up in other countries, next to nothing in the poorer ones, and I'm far from certain if our western European neighbours would be as accommodating.

Which, of course, is why we see the desperate measures taken by some to get into the UK.

Believe it or not, I generally agree with this woman being given what she has been given.

What I object to is people squawking about us being beastly and nasty to asylum seekers when we are plainly not.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Women from some cohorts - Albania is one such - have a significantly higher success rate then their male counterparts; is that what women with children do better as asylum seekers than single males means?

The money paid to people seeking Asylum is the same whether they're male or female. There is extra money for children - as you'd expect since they eat and need clothes. You are as capable as I am of looking at the amounts and working out if you could feed and clothe yourself on that.

Under normal conditions they're allocated housing - no choice - which may be a self contained home, a place in a hostel or B&B. The pandemic and failure to process claims means the housing stock is fully allocated. As a result we get people in hotels, on barges etc.

The system in France or Germany is much the same; money and fancy houses etc are not, according to those coming here a 'pull' factor.

How you can listen to what our government says about Asylum Seekers and deny we're beastly is beyond me.

 

[AndyRM]

The use of the word "beastly' has tickled me. What is this, an Enid Blyton novel? Although "squawking" makes me think more of Richmal Crompton.

 

[All uphill]

As far as I know, women with children do better as asylum seekers than single males.

Thus the lass in the Guardian story was in a position, either by luck or design, to get the best out of the asylum system.

That must include suitable accommodation for a mother and child, enough money to live on, and free education and healthcare.

To me, given the starting point is our country does literally nothing for her, what he have done is reasonably generous.

I wonder what she would get if she pitched up in other countries, next to nothing in the poorer ones, and I'm far from certain if our western European neighbours would be as accommodating.

Which, of course, is why we see the desperate measures taken by some to get into the UK.

Believe it or not, I generally agree with this woman being given what she has been given.

What I object to is people squawking about us being beastly and nasty to asylum seekers when we are plainly not.

My limited experience with the asylum system in the UK suggests three sources of beastliness and some positives that you have pointed out @Pale Rider .

The beastlinesses are, imo

Huge delay in dealing with asylum claims, leaving people safe (a positive) but costing us a fortune and wasting their skills.

A dysfunctional asylum claim system that can really only be navigated by a person with a high level of skill. Perfect for abusers of a system, but not for genuine new arrivals.

The absence of safe routes for asylum seekers.

 

[mudsticks]

My limited experience with the asylum system in the UK suggests three sources of beastliness and some positives that you have pointed out @Pale Rider .

The beastlinesses are, imo

Huge delay in dealing with asylum claims, leaving people safe (a positive) but costing us a fortune and wasting their skills.

A dysfunctional asylum claim system that can really only be navigated by a person with a high level of skill. Perfect for abusers of a system, but not for genuine new arrivals.

The absence of safe routes for asylum seekers.

Add to that the general tone of nastiness in which asylum seekers are spoken about, both by 'government' representatives and by the populist press who spout the same divisive xenophobic unpleasantries.

Those two parties regularly feed back to each other and encourage hatred, xenophobia and the spreading of misinformation.

Such as talking about the supposedly 'luxurious' circumstances in which asylum seekers live, and thereby implying that those asylum seekers are in some way responsible for the dire circumstances under which other citizens of this country are living.

It's an old old trick of 'othering' but it would seem that many are dim witted enough to fall for it, so naturally any venal, unprincipled actors - looking for an opportunity will use it as a distraction technique.

 

[Pale Rider]

Add to that the general tone of nastiness in which asylum seekers are spoken about, both by 'government' representatives and by the populist press who spout the same divisive xenophobic unpleasantries.

Those two parties regularly feed back to each other and encourage hatred, xenophobia and the spreading of misinformation.

Such as talking about the supposedly 'luxurious' circumstances in which asylum seekers live, and thereby implying that those asylum seekers are in some way responsible for the dire circumstances under which other citizens of this country are living.

It's an old old trick of 'othering' but it would seem that many are dim witted enough to fall for it, so naturally any venal, unprincipled actors - looking for an opportunity will use it as a distraction technique.

Conspiracy theory claptrap.

Was the woman and her child badly or well treated?

It's a simple enough question.

The delay in the application was poor, but she was reasonably well looked after in the meantime.

But all you can do is bang on about 'othering', 'bad actors' and the like.

Get your head out of your backside and consider the practicalities of the situation.

 

[multitool]

It's almost as if Pale Rider has no brain at all.

 

[newfhouse]

Conspiracy theory claptrap.

Was the woman and her child badly or well treated?

It's a simple enough question.

The delay in the application was poor, but she was reasonably well looked after in the meantime.

But all you can do is bang on about 'othering', 'bad actors' and the like.

Get your head out of your backside and consider the practicalities of the situation.

It’s like Shep with a bit of grammar.

 

[multitool]

He just laps this stuff up.

Definitely never a student of history. Certainly not a student of anything post high school.