The UK’s broken asylum system

[Bromptonaut]

Unless you believe she should have been presented with the freehold to a three-bedroom semi and given £500 a week to live on.

She'll only get three beds if she needs them, they won't be in a semi, and under LHA she'll be topping up the rent from money meant to provide for the physical needs of herself and her kids.

Let me ask again; do you know about private lets and LHA?

 

[Pale Rider]

Let me ask again; do you know about private lets and LHA?

I know this is your latest hobby horse, but do give over.

She's had bed and board for years on end for her and her child, which is fine, the delay was caused (probably) by the Home Office, but they've certainly paid for it.

You might think the accommodation should be far more luxurious, although no doubt you'd sharp change your tune if the money had to come out of your pension.

Which is a simple way of pointing out the Labour Money Tree is an illusion, there are not unlimited funds to look after everyone in difficulty.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I'm simply saying that the way the Welfare system deals with private landlords is deeply flawed. That applies to everybody; now she's go leave to remain she'll get treated the same as you or I would.

 

[Pale Rider]

I'm simply saying that the way the Welfare system deals with private landlords is deeply flawed.

I don't doubt that, but it has nothing to do with asylum seekers, unless you believe they, having been granted leave to remain, should be given special treatment over and above UK residents in a similar position.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I don't doubt that, but it has nothing to do with asylum seekers, unless you believe they, having been granted leave to remain, should be given special treatment over and above UK residents in a similar position.

This lady has leave to remain; she's no longer an Asylum Seeker.

She's treated the same as the rest of us. The system, fo all of us, is flawed in all sorts of ways but particularly so for private lets.

We have a free market for private rent.

Is it right that we won't pay the market rent, derived form the lowest third of rents in the area, to people on their uppers?

 

[Pale Rider]

This lady has leave to remain; she's no longer an Asylum Seeker.

She's treated the same as the rest of us. The system, fo all of us, is flawed in all sorts of ways but particularly so for private lets.

We have a free market for private rent.

Is it right that we won't pay the market rent, derived form the lowest third of rents in the area, to people on their uppers?

That must be the mother of all diverts.

Scumbag landlords is worthy of its own thread.

It would make a pleasant change from all the scumbag Tories threads.

 

[Bromptonaut]

That must be the mother of all diverts.

Scumbag landlords is worthy of its own thread.

It would make a pleasant change from all the scumbag Tories threads.

Diverting from the issue as ever Paley...

 

[Fab Foodie]

That must be the mother of all diverts.

Scumbag landlords is worthy of its own thread.

It would make a pleasant change from all the scumbag Tories threads.

IIRC @theclaud started a thread about scumbag landlords many moons ago....

 

[AndyRM]

Perhaps if Tories stopped being scumbags there would be less threads about them?

It's not like threads couldn't be started about the questionable motives of other politicians, but they never seem to have much mileage.

 

[theclaud]

IIRC @theclaud started a thread about scumbag landlords many moons ago....

I did - more than one, in fact - and if anything the problem is more urgent than ever, but the immediate thread triggers were often some bastardry perpetrated by my own S.L. I'm slightly cushioned from the structural issues by having had an Unusually Responsible Landlord for a few years now. Not that that helps anyone else, but gift horses and their gnashers, and all that...

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

The six years is way too long, but this woman has been supported throughout that period, including education for her and her children, and that support carries on.

The flipside is also that there are ''immigration'' lawyers actively abusing the ''i have children'' loophole by telling immigrants (obviously women) coming here (and the rest of Europe for that matter) that they need to get pregnant. is the numerous conventions protect pregnant women and children which is a good thing but if where talking about something taking to long we have to take into account it's partly a deliberate thing at times.

Free food, free board, and free education, oh, and free healthcare if needed, for years on end - sounds generous to me.

What more should we, reasonably, be doing?

Give them the ability to work, and substituent faster way to status if they find an meaningful job and with that way of contributing to the society. Because the generous thing you're talking about is also a no choice thing currently.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The flipside is also that there are ''immigration'' lawyers actively abusing the ''i have children'' loophole by telling immigrants (obviously women) coming here (and the rest of Europe for that matter) that they need to get pregnant. is the numerous conventions protect pregnant women and children which is a good thing but if where talking about something taking to long we have to take into account it's partly a deliberate thing at times.

Really, care to quote some real evidence of it?

Give them the ability to work, and substituent faster way to status if they find an meaningful job and with that way of contributing to the society. Because the generous thing you're talking about is also a no choice thing currently.

That bit though is bang on..

Or we could be real radical and let them work while their case is being considered

 

[Julia9054]

"Our policy has not changed, an asylum seeker remains eligible for asylum support for a prescribed period from the day they are notified of the decision on their claim."

This Home Office statement is still true if you change the length of the "prescribed period"

 

[BoldonLad]

This lady has leave to remain; she's no longer an Asylum Seeker.

She's treated the same as the rest of us. The system, fo all of us, is flawed in all sorts of ways but particularly so for private lets.

We have a free market for private rent.

Is it right that we won't pay the market rent, derived form the lowest third of rents in the area, to people on their uppers?

The landlords subsidy system definitely needs an overhaul. But, personally, I cannot think of a workable alternative.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The landlords subsidy system definitely needs an overhaul. But, personally, I cannot think of a workable alternative.

An ideal would include basing benefit on actual market rent, even if slewed to the cheaper end of the market, allied with a degree of rent control.

So that won't happen......