The UK’s broken asylum system

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Reductio and absurdam.

It's pretty clear that black people, especially afro-caribbeans, are still subject to the legacy of slavery, after all modern day racism did not appear in a vacuum. Racist attitudes towards blacks did not end abruptly with the abolition of slavery.

Anglo-Saxons suffering racism because of Roman conquest?

Perhaps not.
Where did the term ''peasant''(and likewise) come from? Exactly an white/european person who was poor, he/her or his family name was shamed/called a criminal/thief etc. etc. Exactly the same false reasons black warlords used to sell (black) slaves.
 

icowden

Legendary Member
Where did the term ''peasant''(and likewise) come from?
Well peasant is literally country-dweller. Where it comes from has nothing whatsoever to do with status.
Of course the way that the word has been used has changed and has come to mean someone of low status or who is poor.
It has no association with criminality and your argument therefore makes no sense.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
Excellent idea. Maybe consider the practicalities of finding accommodation given 7 days notice?

The woman was found accommodation by her local authority.

So none of her fears came to pass, quite the reverse in that she was given leave to remain with her child.

Saying what might have happened doesn't cut it.

You might have been run over and killed when crossing the road this morning, but you weren't.

We arr still struggling to find any asylum seekers who were genuinely badly treated.

About the best we can come up with is the process takes too long, which it does, although applicants are well looked after in the meantime.

Oh, and the forms are a bit complicated.

Outrageous, I say - government heads should roll.
 

mudsticks

Squire
A quick primer though you could of course have found it yourself:

https://justice.org.uk/asylum-human-rights/

Unless you can find actual video footage of the home secretary, personally swinging at asylum seekers with a nail studded club you're going to struggle to convince certain people of 'mistreatment'.

The bar for 'poor treatment' in some folks minds is very high.

Meanwhile empathy quotient very low.
 
If the demeaning and faceless (and in some cases impossible) UC process is anything to go by, I'm pretty confident that the process to claim asylum is considerably more difficult, for a variety of reasons.

UC shouldn't be difficult but is for some people. Three qualified advisers have spent the last 20 minutes trying to understand what's making a payment for a couple, one of whom is terminal, <half what it should be.

Asylum is designed to be impenetrably complex and full of elephant traps. Not solely down to the Tories since both Straw and Plunkett were Mail driven. However if they wanted to the Tories could have reformed and simplificated... .
 

icowden

Legendary Member
About the best we can come up with is the process takes too long, which it does, although applicants are well looked after in the meantime.
Oh, and the forms are a bit complicated.
Outrageous, I say - government heads should roll.
Well yes, when they are constantly using the "cost" of housing and processing asylum seekers and refugees as a reason for denying asylum seekers and refugees whilst also trying to criminalise them and failing to provide simple, legal avenues of entry.

The Govt keep whinging about the cost of housing asylum seekers when they created the cost in the first place. They just spend millions on renting a barge which is unfit for human habitation when they *could* have recruited many people to actually process claims. They have spent millions on stupid plans to fly people to Rwanda - instead of hiring people to process claims.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
UC shouldn't be difficult but is for some people. Three qualified advisers have spent the last 20 minutes trying to understand what's making a payment for a couple, one of whom is terminal, <half what it should be.

Asylum is designed to be impenetrably complex and full of elephant traps. Not solely down to the Tories since both Straw and Plunkett were Mail driven. However if they wanted to the Tories could have reformed and simplificated... .

It shouldn't be, but it bloody well is. I had to ask my (laughably titled) "Work Coach" what a letter I'd received meant, and she didn't have a clue.

Not really fair of me to vaguely equate the two I suppose, but I'd imagine the asylum process is even more of a hellscape.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
"It's not because we're racist, it's because we're better".

I'm amazed he managed to say that with a straight face, although judging by the amount of Botox he's had he probably can't move it much anyway.

I should have given up at that point but kept going and was hardly surprised to see Morgan talking over the speaker who was almost able to make some interesting points.
 
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stowie

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Well yes, when they are constantly using the "cost" of housing and processing asylum seekers and refugees as a reason for denying asylum seekers and refugees whilst also trying to criminalise them and failing to provide simple, legal avenues of entry.

The Govt keep whinging about the cost of housing asylum seekers when they created the cost in the first place. They just spend millions on renting a barge which is unfit for human habitation when they *could* have recruited many people to actually process claims. They have spent millions on stupid plans to fly people to Rwanda - instead of hiring people to process claims.

There was a very interesting segment on the Newsagents podcast which shows the insanity of the government decisions - decisions which don't even benefit the very department making them...

Whilst Asylum applicants are waiting for a decision, the cost of housing them comes from the DFID budget, not the Home Office. This is due to the fact that the costs of managing asylum applicants is lawfully considered a cost relating to overseas development even if they are in the UK. The Home office backlog has been causing significant budget problems at DFID with around a 1/3 of their budget now finding its way into UK landlord pockets or private companies involved with the detention centres who are housing these applicants.

The latest legislation passed by this government allows the Home Office to classify those arriving as illegal immigrants if they didn't legally arrive in the UK via conventional means (eg. people arrive on small boats).

But here is the thing - paying for the detention accommodation costs of people designated as illegally migrants cannot lawfully be taken from the DFID budget - that cost will have to be taken by the Home Office.

The Home Office were told about this extra cost to their department continually by civil servants looking into the proposed legislation. It was ignored. Therefore the Home Office is facing a potential bill running into billions if they classify new arrivals as illegal immigrants under the legislation they passed. There are a few possibilities as to how this situation arose.

1) The government ministers are so epically stupid they didn't understand the cost implications that were completely obvious
2) They didn't care and assumed they would just take the money still from DFID unlawfully
3) The legislation is simply performance art aimed at shoring up the Tory core "hang 'em and flog 'em" support and they have no intention of using this legislation - asylum classification will still be used. Suella et al. assume correctly that these nuances will be lost on their core support and the Daily Mail won't run with such a story.

The third option seems most likely to me. Since the legislation was passed it hasn't been used on a single person to classify them as illegal immigrant instead of asylum claimant. So DFID are still footing the bill.

It is my opinion that the government immigration policy is designed solely to put the issue at the forefront and shore up core support who have been showing signs of wavering as the cost of living shoots up for them. Some circuses to make them forget the cost of bread is rising rapidly.

As the podcast concluded, the home office legislation could be the biggest boost to the DFID budget since the cut to 0.5% by Sunak.
 

icowden

Legendary Member
The third option seems most likely to me. Since the legislation was passed it hasn't been used on a single person to classify them as illegal immigrant instead of asylum claimant. So DFID are still footing the bill.
I'm willing to entertain that (1) is a strong possibility and that (1) and (3) are not mutually exclusive...
 
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