The UK’s broken asylum system

[mudsticks]

Not sure if this should go here or in the 'not extremists' thread

Relevant to both really.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...-at-authoritarian-attacks-on-legal-profession

"Justice’s report, published on Monday, says there has been a “palpable trend” in the UK over the past five years of increasingly derogatory remarks such as “lefty lawyer” and “activist lawyer”.

It highlights examples such as the reaction to the government’s defeat in two Brexit cases, and ministers’ comments on lawyers challenging immigration policy, including, most recently, the Conservative party dossier on Jacqueline McKenzie provided to the media.

Kennedy said respect for the law was undermined by saying “oh, they’re all lefty lawyers that represent people who are applying for asylum, or people who have immigration problems”.

On what this meant for the rule of law, she said: “They criticise lawyers who are legal aid lawyers for actually acting for those who couldn’t afford litigation. We don’t want the courts to be the place in which only the wealthy can enjoy justice. "

 

[multitool]

Sums up the quality of responses nicely.

Come on fool, let's have some proof the asylum system is as bad as you say it is.

The others have done a p*ss poor job, so it needs someone of your undoubted calibre to ride to the rescue.

All it takes is a glance at the processing times and the conditions imposed on the applicants therein.

 

[icowden]

Couple of pages of inter-personal claptrap, but no answer to the fundamental question.
Were either of these women badly treated by the asylum system?

No. Should they have been?

Instead of blindly following anti-government prejudice, posters on this thread need to try looking at the facts.

We have been. The fact is the Braverman and her ilk want asylum seekers and refugees to be treated badly.
Which appears also to be your philosophy.

Instead of reaping benefits from them, we should only give benefits to them, before chucking them on a plans somewhere they can be raped and / or killed? Is that really your philosophy?

 

[multitool]

No answer - as usual.



We were at war with Argentina after they invaded a Sovereign Territory - neither the Falklands or Argentina have anything to do with Empire.

By the way, the Gotcha! headline was removed from later editions after it became apparent many Argentinian seamen had died on the Belgrano, proving Sun sub-editors are all heart.



The Commonwealth as a formal organisation to succeed the Empire has proved a huge success, countries are queuing to join it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...oyal-family-makes-reparations-for-slave-trade

 

[icowden]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...oyal-family-makes-reparations-for-slave-trade

I think you may have posted to the wrong thread...

 

[Deleted member 159]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...oyal-family-makes-reparations-for-slave-trade

To which they will be told to get knotted.

Ungrateful so n so. Set them up on a lovely Carribbean island, teach them English, commerce.

They want more, what like strawboater hats

 

[Rusty Nails]

To which they will be told to get knotted.

Ungrateful so n so. Set them up on a lovely Carribbean island, teach them English, commerce.

They want more, what like strawboater hats

So sad that you should see this as remotely funny.

 

[multitool]

I think you may have posted to the wrong thread...

No, I haven't.

It was in response to Pallid telling us how the former colonised countries are gagging to get into the Commonwealth

 

[icowden]

It was in response to Pallid telling us how the former colonised countries are gagging to get into the Commonwealth

Oh I see. To be fair, some Caribbean countries demanding reparations doesn't negate the fact that there are a number of countries that want to join the Commonwealth (Zimbabwe, South Sudan, Suriname, Burundi and Somaliland).

I'm not sure that King Charles is a big enough draw to be the primary reason that they want to join however.

 

[BoldonLad]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...oyal-family-makes-reparations-for-slave-trade

How far back in history would "reparations" be valid?, could we make a claim on Denmark, Norway, Sweden for the Vikings helping themselves to some goodies from various churches and monasteries, plus a bit of rape and pillage, or, Italy, the Romans for despoiling our beautiful countryside, by building a wall and some roads on it, or France perhaps, that William guy coming here and grabbing England, building those ugly Castles all over the place.

 

[newfhouse]

How far back in history would "reparations" be valid?, could we make a claim on Denmark, Norway, Sweden for the Vikings helping themselves to some goodies from various churches and monasteries, plus a bit of rape and pillage, or, Italy, the Romans for despoiling our beautiful countryside, by building a wall and some roads on it, or France perhaps, that William guy coming here and grabbing England, building those ugly Castles all over the place.

Are those modern states the same entities that invaded? No.

Is the U.K. a continuation of the same country? Substantially, yes. Some people are ever so proud of a line of monarchical succession, too.

 

[BoldonLad]

Are those modern states the same entities that invaded? No.

Is the U.K. a continuation of the same country? Substantially, yes. Some people are ever so proud of a line of monarchical succession, too.

Perhaps, but, not this person

 

[newfhouse]

Perhaps, but, not this person

The point is that our debt to those we enslaved and to those whose resources we took by force is recent and remains unpaid to this day. Our current prosperity is derived from recent and (crucially) identifiable forebears. We know their names, not least because they were the ones financially compensated, not the unfortunates that were wronged.

 

[multitool]

How far back in history would "reparations" be valid?, could we make a claim on Denmark, Norway, Sweden for the Vikings helping themselves to some goodies from various churches and monasteries, plus a bit of rape and pillage, or, Italy, the Romans for despoiling our beautiful countryside, by building a wall and some roads on it, or France perhaps, that William guy coming here and grabbing England, building those ugly Castles all over the place.

Reductio and absurdam.

It's pretty clear that black people, especially afro-caribbeans, are still subject to the legacy of slavery, after all modern day racism did not appear in a vacuum. Racist attitudes towards blacks did not end abruptly with the abolition of slavery.

Anglo-Saxons suffering racism because of Roman conquest?

Perhaps not.

 

[BoldonLad]

The point is that our debt to those we enslaved and to those whose resources we took by force is recent and remains unpaid to this day. Our current prosperity is derived from recent and (crucially) identifiable forebears. We know their names, not least because they were the ones financially compensated, not the unfortunates that were wronged.

A lot of "our" and "we" there, you must know more about my family tree than I do, don't think I any of my ancestors went to Africa, or any other bit of Empire, or sailed on a slave ship.

My Grandfather was born in USA, but, that was after they had kicked out the UK, and, he did come back to UK to live out the rest of his life.