multitool
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You lie, and lie and lie.
So, because Andy is a bit dim, I'll spell it out for him. Total applications and succesful applications were at their lowest under Labour, and are now at record highs under Tories.
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The UK’s broken asylum system
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You lie, and lie and lie.
So, because Andy is a bit dim, I'll spell it out for him. Total applications and succesful applications were at their lowest under Labour, and are now at record highs under Tories.
Bromptonaut
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If the government were, competently and in good faith, providing accommodation and speeding up processing then we might agree. Performative politics and cruelty seeking to look as though you're doing something while, in reality leaving the issue for your opponents to solve doesn't cut the mustard.
Your final paragraph relies on your 'land of milk and honey' paradigm being right.
Its not
Your final paragraph relies on your 'land of milk and honey' paradigm being right.
Its not
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No need to apply for asylum back in the day of EU free movement. Just waltz in and disappear into the dark economy
Bromptonaut
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Err no.
spen666
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a bit of cherry picking with figures there
The number of asylum applicants was at its highest in 2002 at 84,132 - that was under Labour. The low est figure quoted was also under Labour The current figure is according to what you have posted still below that 2-0-02 figure, so not really accurate to say it is at a record high.
The figures in relation to refusals is a % and not actual refusals and for example the 2004 rate is meaningless without knowing what it is 88% of? In any event an initial refusal rate on its own is not really a good indication of whether system is working or not. For example, if the government refused 100% of all asylum applications would that prove much, same as if government decided to approve all claims currently in system to deal with backlog it would again prove very little.
People would simply spin the rate to suit whatever the argument was.
ie 100 % refusal rate could be Government being too hard or could be people had no right to asylum and were all bogus claims
a 0% refusal rate could be government open floodgates or all those applying were entitled to asylum.
People can spin figures to mean what they want and to spin them to support any argument
multitool
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Rusty Nails
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You have to remember that CXRAndy regurgitates his posts from old headlines of the Mail/Express/Sun...also from GBNews these days.
multitool
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Yes, you are correct, my (slight) error However this was early in Labour term, the number then dropped off a cliff. We are 13 years into Tory administration and it has skyrocketed.
It isn't true to say that the numbers can be spun to represent anything. Yes, I accidentally included the word 'highest', but that was not spin, it was overhaste whilst doing something else.
Andy's post was just factual bullshıt
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multitool
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Nope. Still an idiot on every count.
BoldonLad
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Don’t you believe it 😊
spen666
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It has skyrocketed to a total still below the figure is had reached in 2002, some five years after Labour had been in power.
Probably not really early in the Labour term. Indeed it was a year after Labour had been re elected for a 2nd term. Are we just pretending that first term never happened?
Probably the figures have not skyrocketed as much as they did under Labour. Unless we are pretending that 2002 high point under Labour never happened?
Like I said figures can be spun as people like, especially when you try to rewrite history and ignore unhelpful statistics and pretend they did not happen
mudsticks
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/people-feared-dead-boat-sinks-near-lampedusa
Imagine being so.desperate, to be prepared to undergo this kind of potentially lethal journey.
And then you'll get people saying "Oh they're just 'easy life' seekers".
And who has pedalled the myth of an 'easy life' ? The lies that immigrants are being housed in 'luxury hotels' or of our being 'swamped' or 'swarmed' by 'hoardes' of 'illegal' immigrants and all the rest of the nasty untruths?
Your beloved tabloid press, that's who, constantly stoking up xenophobia and hatred with their falsehoods, and twisted reporting that give the impression that immigration is an enormous threat to people in this country.
All of which, is of course a great distraction from our 'governments' persistent and deliberate mis management on this and so many other issues.
But stirring up hatred, and dehumanising stories sells newspapers - and provides great clickbait so who cares right?
Tell that to Paley - apparently that kind of thing wouldn't be allowed here 🙄
Imagine being so.desperate, to be prepared to undergo this kind of potentially lethal journey.
And then you'll get people saying "Oh they're just 'easy life' seekers".
And who has pedalled the myth of an 'easy life' ? The lies that immigrants are being housed in 'luxury hotels' or of our being 'swamped' or 'swarmed' by 'hoardes' of 'illegal' immigrants and all the rest of the nasty untruths?
Your beloved tabloid press, that's who, constantly stoking up xenophobia and hatred with their falsehoods, and twisted reporting that give the impression that immigration is an enormous threat to people in this country.
All of which, is of course a great distraction from our 'governments' persistent and deliberate mis management on this and so many other issues.
But stirring up hatred, and dehumanising stories sells newspapers - and provides great clickbait so who cares right?
Tell that to Paley - apparently that kind of thing wouldn't be allowed here 🙄
Fab Foodie
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We're at #6 in the EU intake charts.
Fab Foodie
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2h ago11.00 BST
The previous high for this year was 686 people on 7 July.
The cumulative number of arrivals by small boats in 2023 now stands at a provisional total of 15,826. Total arrivals last year were 45,755.
The latest figures mean there have been 100,715 arrivals detected since January 2018, when data was first reported.
There were 14 boats detected crossing the Channel on Thursday, which suggests an average of about 54 people per boat.
Record 755 people detected crossing Channel in small boats on Thursday, Home Office says
On Thursday 755 people were detected crossing the Channel in small boats, the highest number on a single day so far this year, the Home Office said.The previous high for this year was 686 people on 7 July.
The cumulative number of arrivals by small boats in 2023 now stands at a provisional total of 15,826. Total arrivals last year were 45,755.
The latest figures mean there have been 100,715 arrivals detected since January 2018, when data was first reported.
There were 14 boats detected crossing the Channel on Thursday, which suggests an average of about 54 people per boat.
