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Rusty Nails

Rusty Nails

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AuroraSaab said:
That's what pro Dem news outlets are spinning it as now - 'Harris hasn't failed because it wasn't her job anyway' - when she was tasked with dealing with southern border immigration both long term and 'in country' in Biden's own announcement of her role.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...president-harris-in-a-meeting-on-immigration/

There's no reason to suppose Trump would have done any better of course.
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So you agree she was never in charge of the border, and nothing in your excerpt says otherwise. Her role was working with the countries that migrants were coming from not about managing US border control of immigration.

As in the UK, US migration has become a big political issue but to say that Harris has failed at managing the borders is just cheap political posturing by Trump. Her role was diplomatic effort to stem migration at source, as Biden clearly explained and as she explained in the second part of that report, outside that short, rather vague section you printed.
 
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AuroraSaab

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No, I don't agree. Her brief was bith diplomatic and 'in country'. Neither Trump nor Biden provided a solution to the border crisis during their tenure. Neither Trump nor Harris have given any indication that they have any solution to offer.

If you go back to 2021 news articles the reports were very much that Harris was to address the border crisis.

"A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1261952
 
dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

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Rusty Nails said:
So you agree she was never in charge of the border, and nothing in your excerpt says otherwise. Her role was working with the countries that migrants were coming from not about managing US border control of immigration.
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moving the goalpost, yes Trump wouldn't have that post because he claimed they would have ''build a bigger fence'' but the Biden administration apparoach always has been different and that why they want to talk/help/negiotiate with neigbouring countries whwre most iof the immigration comes from.

Rusty Nails said:
As in the UK, US migration has become a big political issue but to say that Harris has failed at managing the borders is just cheap political posturing by Trump. Her role was diplomatic effort to stem migration at source, as Biden clearly explained and as she explained in the second part of that report, outside that short, rather vague section you printed.
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Not become it always has been, and in all fairness if we call Harris's approach failed then so does Trump's approach need to be because both weren't working.
 
Rusty Nails

Rusty Nails

Country Member
AuroraSaab said:
No, I don't agree. Her brief was bith diplomatic and 'in country'. Neither Trump nor Biden provided a solution to the border crisis during their tenure. Neither Trump nor Harris have given any indication that they have any solution to offer.

If you go back to 2021 news articles the reports were very much that Harris was to address the border crisis.

"A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1261952
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Then we can agree to differ.

I based my last reply on that article you quote which is extremely light on detail except for the diplomatic effort to reduce immigration at source. The “two tracks” are not defined and could equally be taken as meaning diplomatic effort towards short term and longer term reduction in illegal immigration.
There is no detail on any internal or in-country role, which there would need to be if it existed, just the diplomatic, and she was never given any responsibility for managing the efforts of, or working with, the department that looks after border control/security.

By all means attack the Biden administration’s record on immigration, but the ‘blame Harris’ tactic is just a cynical, electioneering red herring.
 
the snail

the snail

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Rusty Nails said:
Then we can agree to differ.

I based my last reply on that article you quote which is extremely light on detail except for the diplomatic effort to reduce immigration at source. The “two tracks” are not defined and could equally be taken as meaning diplomatic effort towards short term and longer term reduction in illegal immigration.
There is no detail on any internal or in-country role, which there would need to be if it existed, just the diplomatic, and she was never given any responsibility for managing the efforts of, or working with, the department that looks after border control/security.

By all means attack the Biden administration’s record on immigration, but the ‘blame Harris’ tactic is just a cynical, electioneering red herring.
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And it completely ignores the bipartisan deal that they made with the Republicans which was scuppered by trump, precisely to avoid any progress which would benefit Biden.
 
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ebikeerwidnes

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the snail said:
And it completely ignores the bipartisan deal that they made with the Republicans which was scuppered by trump, precisely to avoid any progress which would benefit Biden.
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Exactly
Trump controls the Reps and it has to do what he wants

and no longer considers the good of the country

and I personally don;t see that changing if he wins
 
Bazzer

Bazzer

Well-Known Member
A dozen former Reagan and Bush (both of them) lawyers publicly support Harris, with a view to stopping Trump.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...strations-endorse-harris-2024-race-rcna168217

Meanwhile in Arizona, a judge appears to have set an early Jan 2026 hearing date for election interference charges made against Rudi Giuliani, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, a couple of Trump lawyers, Trump advisor Boris Epshteyn and others.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...will-face-arizona-criminal-trial-in-jan-2026/
As there is a total of 16 defendants, presumably the judge is going to have to sort out some trial management issues.
 
Ian H

Ian H

Legendary Member
I don't pretend to know how the US politico-judicial system works, so I'll just let them get on with it.
 
icowden

icowden

Legendary Member
It would really be interesting to see if the USA could make progress if the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency.
Not sure it will ever happen though.

It seems an odd system where you can have a Democrat as President who can then do the sum of sod all to change anything.
 
the snail

the snail

Active Member
icowden said:
It would really be interesting to see if the USA could make progress if the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency.
Not sure it will ever happen though.

It seems an odd system where you can have a Democrat as President who can then do the sum of sod all to change anything.
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It's a feature rather than a bug - the constitution is deliberately designed to limit the powers of the president. Trump demonstrates exactly why this is a good thing.
 
AndyRM

AndyRM

Elder Goth
the snail said:
It's a feature rather than a bug - the constitution is deliberately designed to limit the powers of the president. Trump demonstrates exactly why this is a good thing.
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Yep. All about the checks and balances there, and it makes a lot of sense, not just for Trump either.
 
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