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That was Prigozhin's mistake. He forgot to consult Milzy.
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That was Prigozhin's mistake. He forgot to consult Milzy.
spen666
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That sounds like a "hold my beer" sort of challenge🤡
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I'm not saying Belarus weren't in the airspace, but given that the military exercise was told to Poland beforehand and there was no reliable radar verification. Lets say it was an pilot error, worth noting as a no-no. However Belarus would be stupid to push the Polish into taking action.
A bit like when Turkey shot down a Russian fighter that ventured into their airspace. Dont think it happened again.
multitool
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Oh I don't know.
This is domestic politics. Rest assured Russia, and especially Wagner will not dare to attack Poland. NATO would mince them in a handful of hours.
All those ELINT aircraft flying the Polish border, the Baltic, and the Black Sea in the early days of the invasion learnt a thing or two about Russian capabilities.
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Isn't that what Putin thought, when he invaded Ukraine?
multitool
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Ukraine isn't a NATO country. Or did you mean that Putin thought he'd defeat Ukraine in hours? Don't think that was the intention, just a land grab...which he has achieved.
dutchguylivingintheuk
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Poland had every right to shoot them out of the sky, they where lucky they didn't.
Military exercise, Wagner saying they march to Warschaw makes a pilot error very unlikely.
Agreed they would be very stupid to drag Poland or any Nato neighbours in, especially since Poland on it's own much stronger then they will ever be.
Belarus so far seems to be following the line of lots of words no actioni suspect that is an deliberate move, as not so long ago they needed help from Russia tro stomp out partisan movements, any involvement in this war will bolster the now ''sleeping cells'' and thus most likely will mean the end off Lukashenko
BoldonLad
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That.
He may have grabbed some land, but, will he be able to hold it? the ball is still in play, at the moment.
Not really something I wish to speculate on, it is all too terrible for the victims, plus, not sure that having a well equipped mercenary army lurking in the background is something any sensible Government would want to encourage.
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dutchguylivingintheuk
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It was the intention, the Russians said so themselves before the war, and meanwhile leaked/taken from overrun positions documents show the same. Just as the plane with the to be installed Russian minded government was ready to depart.
It wasn't that strange either when then invaded Crimea and the Donbas in 2014 they faced little resistance, the just underestimated how much Ukranians had improved and the amount of resistance they(the russians) where facing. And let's be honest, almost nobody in did west expected this outcome either.
dutchguylivingintheuk
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Well his plans are leaked from multiple sources they expected to roll right in, to be cheered on like heros kill Zelensky en co' and install their puppet government. Everything from what the Russians said themselves, leaked plans, what captured solders say indicates they really tought it would be an short an swift operation.
All uphill
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I am fortunate to meet some Ukrainian people locally each week. Their determination and support for their country and husbands, brothers and sons on the front line is awesome ( and that's a word I have never used before).
It reminds me how lucky we still are in the UK despite the efforts of some people trying to dilute our democracy.
It reminds me how lucky we still are in the UK despite the efforts of some people trying to dilute our democracy.
the snail
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Exactly, they didn't even bother taking any food with them, it was going to be so quick and easy. They sent their elite troops to capture the airport, then pop into Kyev and kill Zelensky. Then that convoy would roll into the capital unopposed, cheered on by grateful Ukrainians. It was only when this strategy failed that they redeployed and concentrated on the south/east.
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Milzy
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I can’t see how a government with the best spies and intel would get that so wrong. They must have known they’d fight back with Western backing.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/04/wagner-group-mutiny-putin-prigozhin-russia
Perplexing indeed. I guess again that Putin dare not halt a war that never had strong main military support.
Perplexing indeed. I guess again that Putin dare not halt a war that never had strong main military support.
