matticus
Guru
Do you know something about Tarric's children? Do share!
WASPI Women Denied Compensation
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Do you know something about Tarric's children? Do share!
Yes preferring, a strange concept to many.
multitool
Pharaoh
Yep, my wife preferred to spend five years away from work to bring up two infants. I'm not sure whether it would have been a question of being able to afford to, or not being able to afford to not do it in the sense that we never calculated childcare vs salary. She wanted to stay at home, so she did.
icowden
Squire
Exactly the same here. My wife returned to work once both kids were at primary school.
Yes I get this a lot with some sections of society, I think it's got something to do with my user name.
Well actually I know it's got something to do with my user name, it seems to crop up more and more these days.
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dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
If that's the case than Fararage should have ended up with 0 votes. However it isn't i'm fairly confident Sunak's campaign didn't really work and Starmer's did much better.
Because if voters would really punish the electorate why does Farage get chance after chance after abandoning his party his promises etc.? Because he is full of shoot but he talks about that big pile of dung like it is cold, he makes it a stories people want to believe.
I do also believe Labour amongst all these things is setting themselves up for a big lose next elections, don't get it either they campaigned for years for these people to get money and now their in government they say ''nah, to expensive bro''
theclaud
Reading around the chip
I'm not disputing the individual circumstances- I just find it jarring in the context of the WASPI thing, which is about a generation of women financially disadvantaged by the gendered structure of childcare. I daresay my mother (who is slightly older than the WASPI cohort) would characterise raising her children as a choice (in that no-one coerced her into it), but it's certainly not a choice my father ever had to face.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
I have no idea what this means - your user name is opaque to me.
Ian H
Legendary Member
E's and my mothers were in a similar situation. Both, in different ways, rather resented the role they were expected to play.
matticus
Guru
You chose a funny way of expressing that!
My anecdotal impression (from talking to others) is that public support for WASPI is not high, certainly not when there are other very justifiable compensations that still seem to be faltering eg Post Office Sub-postmasters, Infected Blood, nuclear trials veterans.
Many seem to also consider that for such a major life decision, not to have checked before retiring is beyond daft. But I've not seem any polling on wider public opinion. I do wonder if the Lib Dems considering a vote on the issue is more to exploit and highlight divisions within Labour than resolve a major issue facing the country.
Ian
icowden
Squire
None of that makes sense. You do realise that Farage is not a Conservative MP? He ended up with lots of votes because people didn't want to vote Conservative. People therefore chose either the person most likely to win in their area or an extremist group. In either eventuality, every vote for an extremist who couldn't win ended up being a vote for the person most likely to win against the Tory candidate by ensuring that the Tory got fewer votes.
In my constituency John Copy (Tory) got 16,312 votes. If Reform hadn't stood he would likely have got 21,000 votes. Still not enough to beat the LIb Dem who got 28,315 votes but very few voted for Starmer's Labour party (1396 votes). What we saw across the country was not Labour votes rising but people who would have voted Tory voting for Reform, thus making it easier for more liberal candidates to win.
As a second illustration consider Spelthorne. Lincoln Jopp (Tory) won with 14,038 votes. Labour came second with 12,448. However Labour would have won if the LIb Dems had stood down as they took 8,710 votes. Meanwhile Jopp's win would have been far less marginal if Reform hadn't taken 8,284 votes away from the Tories. If you look at the 2019 numbers, the Conservatives took 29,141 votes and Labour 10,748. So a very small increase of 2000 votes for Labour. Lb Dems had 7499 votes so a small increase for the Lib Dems. Reform didn't stand.
Imagine you bought a house. You made lots of promises about what you would do when you moved in. Unfortunately when you got the keys, went into the lounge and got the floorboards lifted to so some much needed renovation you discovered a massive sinkhole under the house.
Liz Truss was the sinkhole. The Conservatives deliberately hid figures from the Office for Budget Responsibility. In our analogy the sinkhole carefully hidden from the surveyor. Reeves had no idea that there was a massive finance hole until the day she took the role as Chancellor. All the pre-job briefings had hidden it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-treasury-black-hole-budget-b2641914.html
The Conservatives deliberately broke the law to hide the black hole. Thus Labour is having to row back on promises. I'm no fan of Reeves but I can understand why the Government is unable to fulfil promises and is having to make some hard financial decisions. Some of them (e.g. winter fuel payments) could have been done better of course.
Ian H
Legendary Member
Thoughtless generalisations are apt to offend.
Maybe she should have listened to what the IFS were repeatedly saying about the state of the finances or pretty well anybody. I feel there was a high degree of what avoiding looking. Many were predicting that once Labour got in it would be a "everything far worse than we thought so we've got no choice but to ..." which is exactly what happened. Had Labour leadership actually listened to what was blindingly obvious to everybody else, or even just listened to eg the IFS who were on TV very frequently highlighting the issue, then maybe they wouldn't have dug such a big pre-election hole with daft undertakings meaning they can't take sensible action.
nb OBR have reported that the"black hole" is nothing like Labour's claims and that Labour have added to it with far more generous public sector pay awards than the Conservatives were intending.
To me Labour don't have the ability to resolve issues. Before the election they were making daft undertakings that are now restricting resolving issues and yet they continue to make more undertakings that mean any hiccups in their hopes and wishes and they either start breaking undertakings or let it get worse. Or maybe they'll just "re-define" thge meaning of some terms like they did for "hard working people".
(Not that Conservatives are much better).
These days I do feel we (thge public) deserve better than the politicians we are being offered.
Ian
icowden
Squire
Fixed that for you.
