Who Cares...??

[mudsticks]

At the end of this article, a woman leaving the vigil for murdered schoolteacher Sabina Nessa says.

"I feel really angry, I always feel unsafe, I hate that women can't walk the streets I want women not to be blamed"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...organised-across-uk-in-memory-of-sabina-nessa


Even being the assertive, and quite physically strong woman that I am , I do still feel nervous when I'm out and about by myself, in certain places, and if I encounter one or more men.

We can't tell by looking who is ok, and who isn't

Fwiw I just go and do stuff by myself anyway, and I've mainly been fine.

A few 'creeped out' moments , but on the whole I've been ok.

And I'm not letting a few barstewards spoil my solo adventuring fun.

Other women clearly don't feel so 'brave' and let's face it , why should they have to be 'brave' they're not murdering each other .

I regularly hear from women who are just building up their 'bravery' to go and do something by themselves.

We do have the right to go out and do things by ourselves yes??

Or not.?

Was being born a woman just 'bad luck' for us, so we should just 'suck up' this risk of abuse or murder.??

Yes I know, in fact, the risk from people known to us, is in fact statistically higher, another issue to tackle.

We've been suffering this for generations.

If we talk about it?

We're exaggerating, going on, or should just stay home, stay safe.

Which isn't it turns out always all that safe either .

Ok so cue the 'not all men'

Cue the 'men get attacked too, you know?'

However, this toxic masculinity which gives some men, some kind of entitlement to scare, harass, or do far worse to women, and alsother men, if it comes to it, needs to be tackled.

For everyone's sakes..men's too as it happens, it's not great for their MH either.

But it is down to men imo, educating and supporting their sons, and the same for each other.

Incel culture, violent pornography, and other horrible stuff, may either be a symptom, or an extra cause of all this, I don't know.

Im not a man, I can't understand why anyone could, or even why they would want to behave like this towards another human being,

Women shouldn't be scared to live their lives fully.

What can be, or is going to be, done about it??

Just a quick reminder about the subject of this thread

Well it was my persistent and creative use of the English language to get round the nanny software, and the constant complaints to the mods from a certain thin skinned cowboy hat wearing member regarding my "insulting" posts about the government. I was warned to stop, but I refused.

Howsabout some creative use of the English language for situations* where the 'the guys' are getting out of hand.

Useful stuff to counter this 'entitlement to bully or abuse' mindset.

I can usually come up with something on the spot.

A degree of natural eloquence + having had enough of meat heads = direct expression of meaning.

* particularly those situations where women aren't already present .

The rot starts, and propagates behind closed doors first yes.?

 

[mudsticks]

Bleurrgghh.

https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

I remember reading about all this a while back ,

There it is entitlement writ large.

Normalisation of objectification, by the jolly old besuites establishment..

Chortle chortle. .

"Just a bit of fun, you know"

"We pay, you be the 'dolly birds' that we get to grope.."

And as for charity fund raising ??

Yea god's G.O.S , did you learn nothing from Saville, being 'on your books' ??

Here's an idea guys, if you're very rich, or even not very rich , but want to give money to a 'good cause'

Just donate some of your money to a 'good cause'

You don't have to have had your hand up a cash strapped students skirt to make you feel charitable towards the needy do you??

Or do you??

In which case, probs best just keep it in your pocket 👍🏼

 

[winjim]

The drugging of woman by men so that they can rape them is not an uncommon occurrence and a new tactic seems to be the use of hypodermic needles to inject the drug directly into them.

Is it though? Really? Who says? Good blog here suggesting that we might want to actually gather some evidence and speak to some experts before we uncritically regurgitate what seems like it could be simply the latest round of tabloid moral panic hysteria.

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/havin-a-column-syndrome-squid-gaming

 

[Pale Rider]

Is it though? Really? Who says? Good blog here suggesting that we might want to actually gather some evidence and speak to some experts before we uncritically regurgitate what seems like it could be simply the latest round of tabloid moral panic hysteria.

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/havin-a-column-syndrome-squid-gaming

My knowledge of injecting people is limited, but I did wonder about the effectiveness of spiking.

 

[mudsticks]

Is it though? Really? Who says? Good blog here suggesting that we might want to actually gather some evidence and speak to some experts before we uncritically regurgitate what seems like it could be simply the latest round of tabloid moral panic hysteria.

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/havin-a-column-syndrome-squid-gaming

I can easily see a scenario, where if the actual injection thing turns out not to be the case.

Then the whole issue of drink spiking can be written off as.
"Oh well you see, it must all be made up"

I can't imagine it being that easy to inject a person without their realising.

But then I guess in semi darkness, had a couple of drinks, crowded dancefloor where collisions are not unheard of, then it could just be possible.

 

[Bromptonaut]

My knowledge of injecting people is limited, but I did wonder about the effectiveness of spiking.

My thought too was that it seemed far fetched. I've been injected with pre-med and anaesthetic for hip surgery but both via an intravenous line. I cannot imagine how that could be done in a club. My daughter started her career an NHS Blood and Transplant as a donor carer; finding a vein and getting a canula in requires training and skill. Injecting the quantity needed into (say) a backside would be both visible and detectable.

OTOH spiking drinks is all too common. Daughter and her friends when out clubbing would appoint one of the group to be a sober 'sentry' watching for anything untoward.

 

[winjim]

I can easily see a scenario, where if the actual injection thing turns out not to be the case.

Then the whole issue of drink spiking can be written off as.
"Oh well you see, it must all be made up"

I can't imagine it being that easy to inject a person without their realising.

But then I guess in semi darkness, had a couple of drinks, crowded dancefloor where collisions are not unheard of, then it could just be possible.

That's one reason why we mustn't give in to hyperbole. I don't think anyone's saying that it definitely has never happened, but let's have a sober assessment of the evidence before we rush to any conclusions. Otherwise we risk worrying, even panicking people unnecessarily, and misdirecting energy and resources where they are not needed, thereby depriving the areas where they might actually do some good.

An additional worry with such moral outrage stories is that such misdirected resources potentially include things like additional authoritarian powers for eg police and government.

 

[mudsticks]

That's one reason why we mustn't give in to hyperbole. I don't think anyone's saying that it definitely has never happened, but let's have a sober assessment of the evidence before we rush to any conclusions. Otherwise we risk worrying, even panicking people unnecessarily, and misdirecting energy and resources where they are not needed, thereby depriving the areas where they might actually do some good.

An additional worry with such moral outrage stories is that such misdirected resources potentially include things like additional authoritarian powers for eg police and government.

Yup .

 

[Fab Foodie]

People talk to each other. I'll leave it there. There are far more serious thing to discuss in this thread.

Like - where do you get tickets to those events?

 

[mudsticks]

Like - where do you get tickets to those events?

What like these..

https://www.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

I think it's mainly a case of enough money..

And very poor taste

 

[AuroraSaab]

Male rapist of men. 206 victims. Drinks spiked once he got them back to his flat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-55276209.amp

I would imagine some of the current cases are false alarms, but drink spiking is a very real occurance and has probably been under reported previously and not taken seriously by either the police or medical services.

Warning: this footage of a girl having a seizure after having her drink spiked is distressing.

https://news.sky.com/video/essex-18-year-old-girl-couldnt-walk-and-speak-after-spiked-drink-12372820

 

[winjim]

Male rapist of men. 206 victims. Drinks spiked once he got them back to his flat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-55276209.amp

I would imagine some of the current cases are false alarms, but drink spiking is a very real occurance and has probably been under reported previously and not taken seriously by either the police or medical services.

Warning: this footage of a girl having a seizure after having her drink spiked is distressing.

https://news.sky.com/video/essex-18-year-old-girl-couldnt-walk-and-speak-after-spiked-drink-12372820

What's being questioned is the current alarmist reporting of alleged spiking by hypodermic needle, which appears to have little evidence around it.

 

[Pale Rider]

Like - where do you get tickets to those events?

I seem to recall there was consequences from the FT story, which may have been the permanent cancellation of the dinner.

 

[AuroraSaab]

What's being questioned is the current alarmist reporting of alleged spiking by hypodermic needle, which appears to have little evidence around it.

Fair point. It seems much easier to spike a drink than organising all the elements required to inject someone, so I agree there is likely to be an element of misreporting in these cases.

 

[FishFright]

Is it though? Really? Who says? Good blog here suggesting that we might want to actually gather some evidence and speak to some experts before we uncritically regurgitate what seems like it could be simply the latest round of tabloid moral panic hysteria.

https://brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/havin-a-column-syndrome-squid-gaming

Ask a broad selection of women and you'll find your answer.