Who Cares...??

[mudsticks]

Spanish Judiciary doesn’t seem to care:

Spanish women filmed urinating left humiliated by judge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58747084

Tbh you don't even have to go that far.

Just head on over to the 'regular' joke pages.

Plenty of everyday misogyny there 👍🏼

 

[Beebo]

Spanish Judiciary doesn’t seem to care:

Spanish women filmed urinating left humiliated by judge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58747084

A very strange decision as the images were uploaded to a porn site.

France has just had a police officer admit to being a serial killer. So everywhere seems to have its problems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58749596

 

[Bromptonaut]

Meanwhile in another part of the Judicial jungle the Investigatory Powers Tribunal has given a damning judgement on the conduct of the Met and at least one of its officers in undercover operations against environmental protests:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Wilson-v-MPS-Summary.pdf

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Wilson-v-MPS-Judgment.pdf (a long read).

The name Mark Kennedy has cropped up in other similar cases.

In some ways these cases are more damaging for the Met than that of the 'rogue officer' Couzens. They disclose an organisational disregard for whether undercover officers entered into sexual relationships with their subjects. Indeed it appears the practice was condoned or even seen as a perk.

 

[mudsticks]

A very strange decision as the images were uploaded to a porn site.

France has just had a police officer admit to being a serial killer. So everywhere seems to have its problems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58749596

Everywhere has always had 'problems'

I think the internet has made so many things worse .

People love the free speech, and the free porn etc .

All the lovely liberties..

But there's not been an equivalent maturity of mindset, around consent, or respect, or any if that stuff.

Far few seem keen to 'do the work' on that side of things

It's just a race to the nastiness' possible place.

And not made anything safer for the most vulnerable

 

[mudsticks]

Meanwhile in another part of the Judicial jungle the Investigatory Powers Tribunal has given a damning judgement on the conduct of the Met and at least one of its officers in undercover operations against environmental protests:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Wilson-v-MPS-Summary.pdf

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Wilson-v-MPS-Judgment.pdf (along read).

The name Mark Kennedy has cropped up in other similar cases.

In some ways these cases are more damaging for the Met than that of the 'rogue officer' Couzens. They disclose an organisational disregard for whether undercover officers entered into sexual relationships with their subjects. Indeed it appears the practice was condoned or even seen as a perk.

The courage and persistence of this woman is incredible.

She is a friend of a friend of mine.

The toll was huge

It would be darkly funny.

If it wasn't
That the Met is upping the number of patrolling police on the streets , and people are supposed to trust them , why exactly??

I remarked to a co worker yesterday that it's quite incredible that were not all just going 'equipped' with sharp objects..

Haven't formed our own female only police force, yet .

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Yes the internet 'normalising' awful attitudes certainly resonates.



So that needs tackling somehow.

The internet does both monsters like Wienstein epstein and many many more would have never faced justice without the internet.

But yes on the other hand it's also a way for the worst monsters to find other monsters or to bring certain idea's in their minds.



But normalising awfull attitudes? i'm from the time where there was no internet and newsflash, normalizing certain behavior is nothing new at all it was there before they intern et so it certainly not going away. However again it goes both ways, good and bad and anything in between. Internet is in my view to much seen as a way to label something instead of see-ing whats really the issue. Example for a parent it's easyer to blame social media for their son's and/or daughter's part in lurling, hunting down and killing a classmate then it is to face the fact that their children have committed these crimes and that they are responsible the internet was merely a tool. There might be more media attention for it, it might be easyer to do right now with all the technology we have but does that really mean evil pop-ups like mushrooms?



Also something worth mentioing, music plays a far greater role, current knife/gun gangs are sometimes almost litteral copies of so called gangster rappers.

It needs counterbalancing, or challenging in some way.



And 'feminism' going too far.



Ha, if only .

Counterbalancing is a dangerous thing, it's built on good intentions, but so are many things that lead to terrible outcomes in our past. Look for example at the position of white farmers in South Africa. While the intentions where good, namely break/ending the racist policy of a less favorable position(putting it mildly) for black people, it has resulted in ongoing race wars, where is most people behind those evil policy's are still in place.

Feminism has many different angels, just as menism although it's not called that, usually if something is called going to far it means you/the movement etc. starts to stir somewhere where it stinks. Not saying that all feminist are good, all things are correct i do think the reason behind ''going to far'' has more to do with that than anything else. And off course, early on feminist might not like the direction of modern day feminist. and vice versa.

i tend the think solutions are generally not found on the extreme sides(which lobby/activist groups typically aim at) but more in the middle

But the phrase



"As true equality comes closer, those used to having the privilege start to feel oppressed "

Nope, that's called playing the victim. having said that it does happen these days that racism is apperently okay of you target a so called privileged background, or white man... very worrying, maybe it's time to allow mein kampf to be sold again so we can show what these exclusions, good intentions or not can lead too.

Springs to mind.





Same with racism, and all the rest of it..



Do people realise that feminism is about gender equality,?

Do you tell that to that MMA A fighter who was left paralysed(after fighting a trans gender women), all those women sporters who missed out on title because transitioning men are no called women and judged the same? There are differences between men and women, fighting for equal right in women and mens sport

Not about women dominating, and doing to men, what men have done to women?

It should'nt be about what has been done in the past but how to make a better future. Otherwise you get some revenge kind of thing and it never works

I'm not sure some even do get that



The lot for some women is / has definitely improved for some women, undoubtedly.



If I'd been born fifty years earlier , I wouldn't have been able, or even allowed to do many of the things I've done, merely because of my gender.

It goes both ways, i mean a man taking up the household jobs like cooking. washing up taking the children to school is now accepted, don's think it was let's say 50/60 years ago.

But that uplift is not across the board.



I had certain privileges of background, and upbringing which made it easier for me, to do what I've done.



I try to.pass that 'uplift' on.

But there's only so much I can do..

That's true, but i also think there is an limit to what can be accomplished, the route that seems to be more populair now is equality of outcome, it's a nice word for racism because it based on quota's so instead of a company hiring someone because they believe he/she is good at his/her job it's about their race first, then gender, then possible minority group then qualifications.. that's wrong.

 

[mudsticks]

The internet does both monsters like Wienstein epstein and many many more would have never faced justice without the internet.

But yes on the other hand it's also a way for the worst monsters to find other monsters or to bring certain idea's in their minds.



But normalising awfull attitudes? i'm from the time where there was no internet and newsflash, normalizing certain behavior is nothing new at all it was there before they intern et so it certainly not going away. However again it goes both ways, good and bad and anything in between. Internet is in my view to much seen as a way to label something instead of see-ing whats really the issue. Example for a parent it's easyer to blame social media for their son's and/or daughter's part in lurling, hunting down and killing a classmate then it is to face the fact that their children have committed these crimes and that they are responsible the internet was merely a tool. There might be more media attention for it, it might be easyer to do right now with all the technology we have but does that really mean evil pop-ups like mushrooms?



Also something worth mentioing, music plays a far greater role, current knife/gun gangs are sometimes almost litteral copies of so called gangster rappers.









Counterbalancing is a dangerous thing, it's built on good intentions, but so are many things that lead to terrible outcomes in our past. Look for example at the position of white farmers in South Africa. While the intentions where good, namely break/ending the racist policy of a less favorable position(putting it mildly) for black people, it has resulted in ongoing race wars, where is most people behind those evil policy's are still in place.

Feminism has many different angels, just as menism although it's not called that, usually if something is called going to far it means you/the movement etc. starts to stir somewhere where it stinks. Not saying that all feminist are good, all things are correct i do think the reason behind ''going to far'' has more to do with that than anything else. And off course, early on feminist might not like the direction of modern day feminist. and vice versa.

i tend the think solutions are generally not found on the extreme sides(which lobby/activist groups typically aim at) but more in the middle



Nope, that's called playing the victim. having said that it does happen these days that racism is apperently okay of you target a so called privileged background, or white man... very worrying, maybe it's time to allow mein kampf to be sold again so we can show what these exclusions, good intentions or not can lead too.





Do you tell that to that MMA A fighter who was left paralysed(after fighting a trans gender women), all those women sporters who missed out on title because transitioning men are no called women and judged the same? There are differences between men and women, fighting for equal right in women and mens sport



It should'nt be about what has been done in the past but how to make a better future. Otherwise you get some revenge kind of thing and it never works



It goes both ways, i mean a man taking up the household jobs like cooking. washing up taking the children to school is now accepted, don's think it was let's say 50/60 years ago.



That's true, but i also think there is an limit to what can be accomplished, the route that seems to be more populair now is equality of outcome, it's a nice word for racism because it based on quota's so instead of a company hiring someone because they believe he/she is good at his/her job it's about their race first, then gender, then possible minority group then qualifications.. that's wrong.

Can I ask, that in future before you butcher my posts, and then sprinkle them with your own unique word salad, you take some time to actually read what I've written.

I've said that feminism doesn't seek revenge.

It's about achieving equality, and recognising that were not there yet.

As for the rest of it??

Well yes I do have work to do..

P.s. I'm also from a 'time before the internet'..

Imagine that kids 🙄

 

[Fab Foodie]

Tbh you don't even have to go that far.

Just head on over to the 'regular' joke pages.

Plenty of everyday misogyny there 👍🏼

Oh, yes, it abounds.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

i tend the think solutions are generally not found on the extreme sides(which lobby/activist groups typically aim at) but more in the middle

The trouble with centrists is that they are basically conservative apologists.

 

[mudsticks]

The trouble with centrists is that they are basically conservative apologists.

Maybe if we just asked for equality , a bit more nicely.??

Request that we don't get abused and attacked , with a prettier smile perhaps.??

 

[The Crofted Crest]

Maybe if we just asked for equality , a bit more nicely.??

Request that we don't get abused and attacked , with a prettier smile perhaps.??

Look, we can tinker about at the edges a bit but you'll understand we can't upset the apple cart, can we? I'm all in favour but it's everyone else who's holding it back. Just be patient a bit longer.

 

[mudsticks]

Look, we can tinker about at the edges a bit but you'll understand we can't upset the apple cart, can we? I'm all in favour but it's everyone else who's holding it back. Just be patient a bit longer.

OK , that fine

I wonder could we possibly have 5% more equality, year on year, always subject to review of course, just in case it gets a bit too much trouble..

Would that be ok??

Pretty please .?

 

[Pale Rider]

Seems Couzens may have been involved with colleagues in a Whatsapp group sharing dodgy stuff.

I have limited experience of coppers and porn, but it seems to me some do have problematical attitudes to it.

Couzens' involvement won't have raised many eyebrows, because even colleagues who disapprove will have known that a minority of their fellow officers are well into this stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58760933

 

[Milkfloat]

Don't worry it is all good, the Met are going to magic up 650 Police to patrol busy areas, conveniently forgetting that 92% of male on female murders are committed by someone known to the female. I think the Police and whole judiciary should concentrate some resources where it really matters - domestic abuse, rather than the public areas which are relatively safe.

 

[fozy tornip]

Seems Couzens may have been involved with colleagues in a Whatsapp group sharing dodgy stuff.

Typical! You wait forever for a bus to save you from abduction by a murderous deviant policeman and then along come..

Actually I'm not sure I can make this work.