Who Cares...??

[lazybloke]

Vancouver has a mahoosive drug issue IIRC, Simon Reeves did a documentary about it which was kinda shocking….

I didn't see that one, his shows are certainly eye-opening.
I think 20 or so years ago it was all too easy for me to ignore issues that lay just beneath the surface. I try to be more aware these days...

 

[mudsticks]

I think it’s called ‘spending more time with their families’ these days….

Pity his poor family

 

[mudsticks]

I heard Jess and thought she was right.

Sarah Everard appears to have been visiting a friend at a time when Covid restrictions forbade it. She was stopped by a purported plain clothes copper and as a result of their exchange she was told she'd be arrested for breaching lockdown and expected to be taken to a Police Station. I'm pretty clued up on my rights but I suspect that at the time you'd need research to find out which bits of covid emergency legislation had powers of arrest and did not.

Safest option might be to 'go quietly' on the basis that either the duty solicitor scheme or advice post charge would sort the job out.

Tbh I can't believe this ridiculous notion of

'Why and when we should be wary around The Fuzz'

Is even being discussed.

It's just another insult to add to an ever mounting heap..

Like we trusted the police and courts system to primarily uphold our rights to be free from abuse anyway.??

That thing about having to devote 10,000 hours to something to be an expert in it?
You really don’t have to be very old as a woman to have already spent way more than 10,000 hours thinking about your safety and, by extension, the safety of women in general.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/women-prey-authority-violence-against-women.

Someone even more cynical than me might think all this fear, is a jolly useful way of keeping the majority of women busy, and domesticated.

Even if it's only *unconsciously*...

I mean imagine what we might get up to, if we as women didn't have to tithe a portion of our time and energy into 'staying safe' from potential harm.

Be out and about, all over, getting up to goodness knows what..🤔


Sometimes it's almost feels as if there's a 'third' species of human, that is known to be more dangerous to, or attracted to preying on female flesh, and minds..

Handy in a way, even to the average harmless, male of the species, to have this 'third' species, keeping us down a bit right .??


Thank goodness I'm not so cynical as all that eh??

 

[winjim]

Tbh I can't believe this ridiculous notion of

'Why and when we should be wary around The Fuzz'

Is even being discussed.

It's just another insult to add to an ever mounting heap..

Like we trusted the police and courts system to primarily uphold our rights to be free from abuse anyway.??

That thing about having to devote 10,000 hours to something to be an expert in it?
You really don’t have to be very old as a woman to have already spent way more than 10,000 hours thinking about your safety and, by extension, the safety of women in general.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/women-prey-authority-violence-against-women.

Someone even more cynical than me might think all this fear, is a jolly useful way of keeping the majority of women busy, and domesticated.

Even if it's only *unconsciously*...

I mean imagine what we might get up to, if we as women didn't have to tithe a portion of our time and energy into 'staying safe' from potential harm.

Be out and about, all over, getting up to goodness knows what..🤔


Sometimes it's almost feels as if there's a 'third' species of human, that is known to be more dangerous to, or attracted to preying on female flesh, and minds..

Handy in a way, even to the average harmless, male of the species, to have this 'third' species, keeping us down a bit right .??


Thank goodness I'm not so cynical as all that eh??

Women are being told to run away from the police... by the police. We are truly in bizarro world.

 

[mudsticks]

Women are being told to run away from the police... by the police. We are truly in bizarro world.

Many women never trusted the police in the first place .

With good reason.

The culture of toxic machismo - might is right - violence as an everyday 'normality' or solution to anything.

"It's just a domestic"

"Women are unreliable witnesses"

"Always making stuff up, making a fuss "

All of it.

I'm 100% sure many good people do go into the police service to do just that, serve their community, but then find themselves up against it, in so many ways..

Underfunding will be part of it.

Underfunding other vital services too, that if done properly would make the job of policing well easier

However there's definitely more than a few individuals that join because they like the idea of a police 'force'

I believe we've even heard from a few on here, now and then.

 

[mudsticks]

Women are being told to run away from the police... by the police. We are truly in bizarro world.

Women in the police, are having similar problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...en-culture-that-shielded-sarah-everard-killer

 

[winjim]

Women in the police, are having similar problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...en-culture-that-shielded-sarah-everard-killer

I heard a policewoman on R4 the other morning saying that you don't call it out because they're the people you rely on to help you when you press the emergency button. She was afraid that if she said anything against them, the next time she pressed the button, maybe nobody would come.

 

[mudsticks]

Yup, we've all heard it, all our lives..

I've heard it far too often enough myself.

"Oh he doesn't mean it, it's just
locker room talk"

''Just guys , being guys"

All that overlooked bahoolix, from the toxic manosphere..

If no one challenges it , then it becomes normalised, right.?

These ideas seep into our 'culture'.

Sooner or later, on a depressingly regular basis, there's one of these .

"Out of the blue, who would have predicted it"

cases.

Then afterwards...

Suddenly everyone saw the warning signs -

"Always thought he was 'a bit of a wrong un..'

Eighty women have lost their lives to male violence, since Sarah was murdered .

Yes Eighty..

At least - those are the ones we know about.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/29/the-...verard-was-murdered-by-wayne-couzens-15327405/

And many others, hurt, abused or scared.

But if someone once in good faith posts pictures of these women, to remind us of this 'everyday' fear that's being ignored.
She'll get told she's 'virtue signalling' for posting their pictures.

Society cant fix a problem if society won't acknowledge it's a problem.

If ridiculous women like me do challenge it??

We're exaggerating, being horrible about 'all men' .
Whereas what we're doing is just wanting some recognition of the problem, wanting the dominant, and dominating half of society to do something..

But I think maybe we've been too subtle.


The fact that many women have adapted themselves, learnt to ignore, or discount this kind of thing, even laugh, because they don't want to prick, any fragile pricks' ego.

Not made a fuss, because that can actually be dangerous.

In order just to have a life, without hassle, we shut up 'be nice' pretend it's all ok, really right.??

We're 'alright' really, yes??

Push down our own discomfort because if we object to this talk, and these attitudes , we're all 'man hating feminazis' right.??

There was a serving officer in the Met on the radio today, saying that you generally don't complain about that kind of talk , or attitude, because if you do.??

Then, well, its highly likely 'the guys' will close ranks.

So you're never 100% sure.

Will they come quickly enough next time, if I call for assistance .??

Or will the response be a bit slow??

I probs used to ignore it myself, no I know I did.

Just say nothing, because you see, if you do you get branded a humourless 'sourpuss' right, ha !

Even that slur is gendered, and then oh no !!

You might not be so 'popular'- the boys might not like you..Imagine ??

"No sense of of humour.."

You'll also hear women being massively disloyal too and dismissing other women for being 'over sensitive' or being scared.

Unbelievable, when they don't know what other women have had to suffer.

Many women have very real reason to be scared, but they keep quiet about their experiences, don't want to retraumatise themselves, or expose their vulnerability.



Nowadays of course, I don't give a flying f*ck, about all that, I will call it out .

So many of us are thoroughly sick, and sickened by it .

And so many women are still scared.

Many men too.

But wow, do we get push back for speaking up.??

Ironically even - yes 'ironically' we get threats of violence, if we do that .

Is that really all they've got??

Probably.


Why on earth would anyone want to be 'one of the lads' if being 'included' required you to go along with that sort of attitude .??



Nah, I'll stick with hanging out with the decent ones, of whom thankfully there are still many.

But still be wary when going further afield.

I'll still go further afield by myself , because I want to, and because I have every right.

but I'm so tired of carrying that extra burden of fear, a burden which no woman ever asked to carry.

Btw if you see that PR person please tell him he can stick his 'good send off'

For Sarah Everard.

Precisely where it hurts

I don't actually believe anyone who claims to use words for a living, doesn't know exactly what they're doing, if they use words as inappropriate as that.

If they don't .??

Well then, that's equally troubling too, really.

I pity any poor woman, already traumatised by her experiences, being interviewed by someone with such a very obvious empathy gap...

'A good send off' is for when your nan dies, she died peacefully, at a good age, surrounded and loved by family .

Not in the most hideous manner possible, as Sarah and in the way so many other, less well publicised victims have.


In the meantime, we can read some other peoples' much more important words . And be prepared to weep.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...future-sarah-everard-family-impact-statements

TMN...

Can we do that here ??

Ok it was contained within a fairly loooong diatribe.


Even for me

I heard a policewoman on R4 the other morning saying that you don't call it out because they're the people you rely on to help you when you press the emergency button. She was afraid that if she said anything against them, the next time she pressed the button, maybe nobody would come.

 

[Fab Foodie]

TMN...

Can we do that here ??

Ok it was contained within a fairly loooong diatribe.


Even for me

I think we can TMN here, especially as TMN was a strong advocate for women and inequality.

 

[mudsticks]

I think we can TMN here, especially as TMN was a strong advocate for women and inequality.

Well thanks for the permission

Sir

... Btw did you mean advocate for equality.??

Or is this uphill struggle even strugglier than I thought already??

 

[Fab Foodie]

I suspect Vancouver is the same as any other city.

A grand lifestyle could be had provided you have plenty of money.

Am sure. Painkillers seem to be the primary addiction. Had it been Detroit or Atlanta, nobody would be surprised, it’s the expectation and image of Vancouver that makes it a bit of a shocker.
Still, expectation and reality are strange bedfellows….

 

[Fab Foodie]

Well thanks for the permission

Sir

... Btw did you mean advocate for equality.??

Or is this uphill struggle even strugglier than I thought already??

Ha! Yes I did :-)

 

[fozy tornip]

How about, I dunno, a curfew for men or something?

 

[mudsticks]

How about, I dunno, a curfew for men or something?

Now now.

Impinge upon the freedom of movement of men.??

Hush your mouth

And joking aside, violence in the home has increased over lock down.

This seems to be systemic, sadly

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Can I ask, that in future before you butcher my posts, and then sprinkle them with your own unique word salad, you take some time to actually read what I've written.

i did but i get it you always say something like this if you don't like the arguments, bit af a tory style of debating..

I've said that feminism doesn't seek revenge.

It's about achieving equality, and recognising that were not there yet.

I did'nt say or imply you said that, i said that the current route of blm/forced quota's etc. is going to result in that. i even gave and example because yes it is history repeating itself always in a slightly different setting but the result is the same.
I understand it's about achieving equality, but you know there are differences between men and women, racism is racism not just racism when it's convenient, so it's unfair if someone gets a job just because they are black/female/other random minority quota needs to be filled.

As for the rest of it??

Well yes I do have work to do..

jup that why that post took me a few days, and s you can see this is a bit later too.

P.s. I'm also from a 'time before the internet'..

Imagine that kids 🙄

i does surprise me then that you amongst many others are quick to pinpoint '' the internet'' but not many more obvious reason like music, social circles etc.

The trouble with centrists is that they are basically conservative apologists.

i was'nt talking about ''centrist'' that's just a leftish term to degrade and shutdown discussions, as you clearly showed with you ''conversative apologist'' wish people would start to think in solutions an stop thinking about how to degrade/downgrade/brand etc. anything that they deemed is not part of their political agenda for a change.

Seems Couzens may have been involved with colleagues in a Whatsapp group sharing dodgy stuff.

I have limited experience of coppers and porn, but it seems to me some do have problematical attitudes to it.

Couzens' involvement won't have raised many eyebrows, because even colleagues who disapprove will have known that a minority of their fellow officers are well into this stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58760933

In general i also think that should be private, but when they start sharing it in private groups it's a whole different story.

Meanwhile .....this is from Phillip Allot,Police,Fire and Crime commissioner and part of the Conservatives !
"I didn’t think this was real at first, a police commissioner blaming Sarah Everard for ‘submitting’ to an arrest. "Women need to be streetwise...She should never have been arrested and submitted to that," he said. "Perhaps women need to just learn a bit about that legal process".
If that doesn't concern you this from the Met should....
Met Police issues advice to women to ‘shout or wave a bus down’ if they don’t trust a male officer.

Yeah, saying something like '' this office failed the public'' as this officer should have been arrested for his earlier actions months maybe even years ago. The lack of such a response is worrying it seems to show they don't learn from their mistakes.