Yet more Tory sleaze….

[icowden]

I did go to a selective school in Leeds and nobody 'got kicked out' at my school so I suggest that statement is at best based on conjecture.

The point is that until 1980 it was a selective school. That means they selected their pupils. Yes the "kicked out" is conjecture but on the other hand they are unlikely to have let difficult pupils into the school in the first place.

 

[Beebo]

My daughter just dropped a bombshell that Truss’s daughter’s both go to her school. It’s a high performing grammar school in Bexleyheath.
I have no idea how they qualify for it geographically. And it’s a long car ride from No 10.

 

[alicat]

The point is that until 1980 it was a selective school.

Are you sure about that? And about it having 60 pupils for year? Can you quote a source?

.... it was a selective school. That means they selected their pupils.

I don't need patronising or mansplaining, thanks.

 

[icowden]

Are you sure about that? And about it having 60 pupils for year? Can you quote a source?

It's what their website seems to say

https://www.roundhayschool.org.uk/our-school/history/

1980-1990 On the retirement of Mr Glover, Kerr Mackie became the new Headmaster as the school adjusted to becoming a comprehensive, rather than a selective school, serving the local community.

It does also say that Roundhay merged the two grammar schools in 1972 to form a co-educational comprehensive school.

Wikipedia suggests that it wasn't until 1992 that the middle school was abolished and it moved to become an 11-18 comprehensive school. It still has results well above the National average and has a World Class Schools Quality Mark which it achieved in 2020.

I don't need patronising or mansplaining, thanks.

No intention to do either, but you did seem very defensive about the ability of a selective school to be just that and avoid taking those children which might be a problem - something that a comprehensive school cannot do.

 

[alicat]

It does also say that Roundhay merged the two grammar schools in 1972 to form a co-educational comprehensive school.

Hurrah! You got there in the end. And the history says that it had a yearly intake of 60. Those are the facts. The rest is just fluff.

Wikipedia suggests that it wasn't until 1992 that the middle school was abolished and it moved to become an 11-18 comprehensive school.

So what? Stop clouding the issue.

No intention to do either, but you did seem very defensive about the ability of a selective school to be just that and avoid taking those children which might be a problem - something that a comprehensive school cannot do.

So what? We've established that Liz Truss went to a school that stopped being selective at least nine years before she went there.

Oh and very little of Roundhay was posh in the 1980s. Probably the only posh street was the road that Jimmy Savile had a home on.

 

[icowden]

Hurrah! You got there in the end. And the history says that it had a yearly intake of 60. Those are the facts. The rest is just fluff.

Not really. Glad we agree though that it was a small intake intensive school that selectively chose pupils and still continues to deliver outstanding results thanks to its small size, and isn't really comparable to a standard 8 or 10 form entry comp.

So what? Stop clouding the issue.
So what? We've established that Liz Truss went to a school that stopped being selective at least nine years before she went there.

No we haven't.

Oh and very little of Roundhay was posh in the 1980s. Probably the only posh street was the road that Jimmy Savile had a home on.

The bit where the school is looks quite posh, it being in a mansion and all.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I went to an ex grammar when it was a pretty poor comprehensive. It was also in an impressive stone fronted period building, quite mansion like. It was still crap.

Truss might be over egging it a bit, but at least she is a product of the state system and not another one from Eaton.

 

[Fab Foodie]

I went to an ex grammar when it was a
Truss might be over egging it a bit, but at least she is a product of the state system and not another one from Eaton.

Whilst that's true, she's not a great advert for state education either!

 

[newfhouse]

 

[mudsticks]

Whilst that's true, she's not a great advert for state education either!

But you can only work with the raw materials to hand though..
Intelligence can be enhanced, encouraged, developed and so on, but there are limits..

The trouble with private schooling (amplified inequity aside) is the confidence, and sense of entitlement, engendered therein can often be rather misplaced.

Hence you get old Etonians and so on, who having been taught that they are 'predestined' to lead, or to hold great power, have zero self doubt when they land those positions through their 'networks'.

When in truth some of them are barely competent to be in charge of the paint dept in B&Q.

Let alone a whole country 😕

Meanwhile, another reminder of

'Liz - The Slightly Saner Years'

 

[Salty seadog]

How surprised am I?

 

[jowwy]

But you can only work with the raw materials to hand though..
Intelligence can be enhanced, encouraged, developed and so on, but there are limits..

The trouble with private schooling (amplified inequity aside) is the confidence, and sense of entitlement, engendered therein can often be rather misplaced.

Hence you get old Etonians and so on, who having been taught that they are 'predestined' to lead, or to hold great power, have zero self doubt when they land those positions through their 'networks'.

When in truth some of them are barely competent to be in charge of the paint dept in B&Q.

Let alone a whole country 😕

Meanwhile, another reminder of

'Liz - The Slightly Saner Years'

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I believe thats why she voted remain in the referendum……but that was 2016, remain lost and now as possible PM she will try and make the best of leaving the EU…

maybe others who voted remian should do the same and stop whinging

 

[mudsticks]

I believe thats why she voted remain in the referendum……but that was 2016, remain lost and now as possible PM she will try and make the best of leaving the EU…

maybe others who voted remian should do the same and stop whinging

Hence since the vote, I've been very involved via my union and other means in trying to help reform post brexit agricultural policy to improve things for the sector, for the environment, and for promoting good food availability in general .

Despite my being a remainer, despite believing that brexit was and is an awful idea.

Hours and hours of largely unpaid work, because I think it's really important to get it right.

Is that not trying to 'make the best of it'??
What are brexiteers doing to 'help'??

There are many many problems with all of this though, both happening now and arriving on the horizon.

I could detail them, I could tell you about all the meetings, interviews, papers written and reviewed.

All the work over these years, but you'd not bother to read them anyway would you??
Just rudely dismiss it all as 'wingeing' because you can't accept that brexit was wrong, that it has damaged this country.

It was 'won' on lies.
Lies that are now proven as such.

But yeah us 'remoaners' are the 'problem' right??

 

[winjim]

Make the best of it by spending a hundred times more than you need to and many many hours figuring out an insanely overcomplicated solution to a simple problem.

 

[mudsticks]

Make the best of it by spending a hundred times more than you need to and many many hours figuring out an insanely overcomplicated solution to a simple problem.

A problem that never needed to exist.

Yay go us..