Yet more Tory sleaze….

[Deleted member 49]

I doubt that very much. I did believe that he would make a better leader than Corbyn, but then that wasn't too hard, although he has been very disappointing since. TBF people will have to wait for him to lose two GEs before they appreciatee what a great leader he was.

Where do you get your Corbyn love from? All Our Yesterdays?.

I don't look at the suits ...I generally tend to go for their policies and what they stand for.But each to their own.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I don't look at the suits ...I generally tend to go for their policies and what they stand for.But each to their own.

Wasn't that the series Meghan Markle was in before becoming a celebrity? Explains a lot.

 

[farfromtheland]

I haven't a clue what you mean by a "militant tendency style contingent who messed things up" as I never mentioned that. Are you talking about Momentum?
My evidence that there was a continuation of the battle between left and right comes from reading the news of the day and from talking to friends of mine who are still in the Labour party. It might not satisfy Sue Gray's definition of evidence but it is as strong as the evidence to show that there was no battle for control between different factions.

The 'Militant Tendency' claimed to have been the mouthpiece of poll tax resistance. They were lying, a lot of the time. They were leftist entryists. They did a lot to pave the way for Tony Blair's election. Most people on the left grew to hate them.

Clearly there was a struggle for direction of the Labour party after 2017. Who used indecent tactics? is the question.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I get my respect for Jeremy Corbyn from when he stood up against the poll tax, something the Labour leadership really failed on. The issue that effectively toppled Margaret Thatcher.

I respected his political principles, even, or especially, when he was warming the backbenches for 32 years.

I hadn't fully realised he was the architect of the poll tax revolt, nor his vital role in getting rid of Thatcher. Kudos . Almost makes me forget his ineptitude as Leader 25 years after that personal triumph.

 

[Rusty Nails]

The 'Militant Tendency' claimed to have been the mouthpiece of poll tax resistance. They were lying, a lot of the time. They were leftist entryists. They did a lot to pave the way for Tony Blair's election. Most people on the left grew to hate them.

I remember Militant Tendency, just confused by their introduction into this thread sorry.

 

[Deleted member 49]

I respected his political principles, even, or especially, when he was warming the backbenches for 32 years.

I hadn't fully realised he was the architect of the poll tax revolt, nor his vital role in getting rid of Thatcher. Kudos . Almost makes me forget his ineptitude as Leader 25 years after that personal triumph.

Lol....love those that say I've allways been Labour but couldn't stand/vote for Corbyn.
What is the Labour party again 🙄

 

[Deleted member 49]

Wasn't that the series Meghan Markle was in before becoming a celebrity? Explains a lot.

Never heard of him....

 

[farfromtheland]

I hadn't fully realised he was the architect of the poll tax revolt, nor his vital role in getting rid of Thatcher. Kudos . Almost makes me forget his ineptitude as Leader 25 years after that personal triumph.

That is an unworthy reply. He was a person who gave solidarity with a grass roots resistance movement.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Lol....love those that say I've allways been Labour but couldn't stand/vote for Corbyn.
What is the Labour party again 🙄

More than Corbyn.

He is/was a good socialist representative in parliament, but a crap leader, way out of his depth. I voted for the party led by Corbyn, but if I had been in the party at the time I would not have voted for him as Leader.

 

[Rusty Nails]

That is an unworthy reply. He was a person who gave solidarity with a grass roots resistance movement.

He was one of many Labour MPs worthy of some respect, but not exaggeration of his importance, and that was what I was being sarcastic over.

 

[Deleted member 49]

More than Corbyn.

He is/was a good socialist representative in parliament, but a crap leader, way out of his depth. I voted for the party led by Corbyn, but if I had been in the party at the time I would not have voted for him as Leader.

The Labour party has drifted so far from who its meant to represent and it's ideals though.Corbyn attempted to take it back to its roots and what it's about.
But the best you can come up with is he's a poor leader.
I only wish there was as many other poor leaders in the party

 

[farfromtheland]

More than Corbyn.

He is/was a good socialist representative in parliament, but a crap leader, way out of his depth. I voted for the party led by Corbyn, but if I had been in the party at the time I would not have voted for him as Leader.

That is very reasonable. It says nothing about the corrupt practice some of us have highlighted.

I have given no exaggerated importance to Jeremy Corbyn, have I? I asked you to explain why you thought the Labour left were as bad as the right. As I see it there should be less importance given to leadership and more to policy and principle.

 

[Rusty Nails]

That is very reasonable. It says nothing about the corrupt practice some of us have highlighted.

I have given no exaggerated importance to Jeremy Corbyn, have I? I asked you to explain why you thought the Labour left were as bad as the right. As I see it there should be less importance given to leadership and more to policy and principle.

Because both left and right seem unable to accept that there could/must be a compromise between the two sides of the party if it wants to gain a mandate to govern. Both sides are to blame and it is splitting hairs, and subjective, to argue which is worse.
Policy and principle are vital, but without a person who is accepted by the party and the electorate as a good leader they will not get to execute those policies.

I misread your earlier post which I read as exaggerating Corbyn's importance in the poll tax and downfall of Thatcher.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Because both left and right seem unable to accept that there could/must be a compromise between the two sides of the party if it wants to gain a mandate to govern. Both sides are to blame and it is splitting hairs, and subjective, to argue which is worse.
Policy and principle are vital, but without a person who is accepted by the party and the electorate as a good leader they will not get to execute those policies.

Like Blair ?
Even I'm suprised how sh1te Starmer is...

View: https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1483009781480755200?t=_EhOvM8nD2EqM8gkrYDmzQ&s=19

 

[Rusty Nails]

Like Blair ?
Even I'm suprised how sh1te Starmer is...

View: https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1483009781480755200?t=_EhOvM8nD2EqM8gkrYDmzQ&s=19

Oh no you're not. You've been calling him crap since day one.