The argument is (upthread): i) It is wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human being ii) Abortion intentionally kills an innocent human being iii) It follows therefore that abortion is wrong
Having to perform an abortion to save the life of the mother is
not intentionally killing the child. I don't think this has usually been controversial - it was permitted before the 1967 abortion act in the UK.
The problem with this is that it treats women as children, incapable of knowing, let along taking responsibility for lifestyle choices. A choice has been made and bodily autonomy surrended. It's not as though sex leading to pregnancy is a secret, shouldn't that be thought about first? Abortion doesn't necessarily end the distress and anguish as I said above.
Absolutely. Abortion enables irresponsible and promiscuous men. Let's them off the hook and puts the whole burden on women. When a man gets a women pregnant, he is a father, he has assumed the responsibility to provide for mother and child probably for much of the rest of his life. Usually it's called marriage, but when you ignore that and make sex recreational you get the problems being discussed here. (I know not all marriages work, but it is better to start with commitment rather than without it.)
I think a convicted rapest should be spending a significant time of the rest of his life in prison. There are alternatives to abortion even in cases like this - adoption or spend money and provide adequate state provision. I say that as someone socially conservative who doesn't usually see the role of the state as being a substitute husband or father.
Rape and incest are often brought up as exceptions even for those who otherwise assert the right of the unborn to life. The numbers involved are very small - in the States under 0.5% for rape, and in Florida 0.01% for incest and 0.15% for rape.
https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/ for those who insist on links.
What do you do with a 14 year old girl who is pregnant, not physically mature and from a bad home background? Even if you assert the right to life of the unborn child this kind of situation is immensely difficult, and calls for wisdom. A balancing of rights. I don't think though these cases justify abortion as contraception if contraception has failed.
Wow..
So you're saying that a woman surrenders her right to bodily autonomy when she chooses to have consensual sex..
I feel really sorry for Mrs Unkraut, on so many levels..
- no recreational sex for you dear..
Hope your daughter and sil know the drill too !!
Irresponsible and abusive men, don't need the safeguard of abortion availability to empower them.
Patriachal systems, a society that excuses them, and a judicial system without teeth in this regard already does this..
It's how it's all been set up - and patriachal religions amplify it, through putting about the idea that men should naturally be 'in charge' possess the majority of the power.
Look how well that's gone for womankind..
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If you want to reduce the number of terminations occuring, fund and improve sex education , make contraception freely available.
There will still need for the choice of safe termination availability for when the above don't work.
And it doesnt always work.
In addition to those times when it's a medical emergency, or a pregnancy has occurred due to rape, incest or other abuse
If you want to reduce distress to mothers who would rather not have had an abortion, but felt they 'had to' due to economic , or social deprivation, then change those circumstances..
Make it so a woman never feels forced either way..
Either forced to continue with a pregnancy against her will.
(And you have no concept of the toll that pregnancy and giving birth takes on a woman's body mind and life )
Or else forced to terminate..
That happens not infrequently too
Change society, for the better if you want the world to be a better place for a woman to have children, or even not to have children if she chooses.
Do that if you're really 'pro life'.
But no, that sounds too much like an equal and caring society, right, and we can't have that..
P.s your 'information' link on abortion 'facts' is from a site that finishes off instructing women not to have an abortion ever..
Why should anyone trust stats from a site such as that??
