Brexit is going wonderfully as shown by these examples

[Mr Celine]

Chickens coming home to roost springs to mind, I'm afraid..

RIP Rusty. July 2010 - 06/06/23. Thanks for all the eggs.

 

[mudsticks]

@shep why?, it’s been so peaceful

It’s too easy

Oh drear, you do seem a little uncertain as to what it is that you really want out of your forumming life.

Peace?? Or stimulation ??

Never mind dearie, we can we all get a bit confused from time to time. 😉

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RIP Rusty. July 2010 - 06/06/23. Thanks for all the eggs.

Aww,

That's a good span for a chook though, was she laying right up to the end??

I've been having to cold water dunk (bottom half only 😇) a few of our broody ones to cool their passions.

Funny thing is they don't really seem to mind that much, once you've got them in the tub.

 

[Mr Celine]

Aww,

That's a good span for a chook though, was she laying right up to the end??

I've been having to cold water dunk (bottom half only 😇) a few of our broody ones to cool their passions.

Funny thing is they don't really seem to mind that much, once you've got them in the tub.

She retired from egg laying last year. She outlived her three siblings and two replacements.
She spent a lot of her time being broody- she went missing once and was eventually found under the garden shed sitting on about 15 eggs.

 

[mudsticks]

She retired from egg laying last year. She outlived her three siblings and two replacements.
She spent a lot of her time being broody- she went missing once and was eventually found under the garden shed sitting on about 15 eggs.

😳
She was lucky that foxy didn't find her first...

Whilst I was away some numpties passing by, let their dog run amok, among one of the flocks here.

According to the farm sitters the owners just feebly remonstrated with their hound whilst it mauled beyond repair, one of the hens.

No apology, no offer to compensate, they just scuttled off with their 'naughty' dog. 🙄

And you wonder why farmers get cross about our of control dogs.🤐

 

[BoldonLad]

In 2017 she knew there was a problem and how to fix it.

Her error is thinking the government could square the circle of stopping immigration whilst try to
protect agriculture.

Most of us knew it was never going to happen.

Couldn't we solve the problem by Nationalising Food Production?

Nationalisation appears to be a good idea for Water, Gas, Electricty, Railways, so, why not Food Production, after all, food is pretty essential.

 

[Deleted member 121]

Couldn't we solve the problem by Nationalising Food Production?

Nationalisation appears to be a good idea for Water, Gas, Electricty, Railways, so, why not Food Production, after all, food is pretty essential.

Because it is one of the few areas in human essential needs where competition actually works and prices are competitive (in most cases). It would be a waste of resources to bring food production into public ownership when other services, such as you mention need tackling with urgency along with wealth distribution which is a major contributing factor in why people including those who work are using food banks, more so in more deprived areas.

 

[mudsticks]

Couldn't we solve the problem by Nationalising Food Production?

Nationalisation appears to be a good idea for Water, Gas, Electricty, Railways, so, why not Food Production, after all, food is pretty essential.

Guess what. ??
Only very recently there was a long laboured over ' 'National Food Strategy'

Into which many of us inputted

Lots of sensible solutions and aspirations for good food availability, secure incomes for producers, minimum standards for health and nutrition in school food etc etc.

A lot of effort, thought, money and expertise went into creating it.

https://www.nationalfoodstrategy.org/

What did this government do??

Mainly ignore, or water down all the findings in the very report it had commissioned.

 

[mudsticks]

Because it is one of the few areas in human essential needs where competition actually works and prices are competitive (in most cases). It would be a waste of resources to bring food production into public ownership when other services, such as you mention need tackling with urgency along with wealth distribution which is a major contributing factor in why people including those who work are using food banks, more so in more deprived areas.

'Competition' doesn't work if producers are no longer able to meet the costs of their production, and go out of business though.

You end up with a race to the bottom in terms of standards nutritional, environmental, and working conditions..
And then scarcity.

But hey that's all out of sight, out of mind, and often overseas, so who cares right??

For something so essential to health and wellbeing, and even to life itself, food security, let alone good food security being left to 'the market' seems a highly unwise approach, and it's clearly failed, if people in this country are going hungry.

Health, education, social care are all 'public goods' and supported by gov.

But not food security, Or healthful diets..

Which is curious, given that good nutrition, underpins best outcomes for the first three.

Let's face it, one reason the EU (EEC as was) was set up was to ensure food security, post food insecurity during and after the war.

The CAP has many flaws (for sure) but at least it recognises that food and farming are intrinsic to a nations security.

But yes it's not 'food poverty' that people are suffering, it's plain old poverty poverty.
It's just that food is the variable cost that people can scrimp on more 'easily' than say rent or electric.

 

[BoldonLad]

Guess what. ??
Only very recently there was a long laboured over ' 'National Food Strategy'

Into which many of us inputted

Lots of sensible solutions and aspirations for good food availability, secure incomes for producers, minimum standards for health and nutrition in school food etc etc.

A lot of effort, thought, money and expertise went into creating it.

https://www.nationalfoodstrategy.org/

What did this government do??

Mainly ignore, or water down all the findings in the very report it had commissioned.

Not sure I get the connection?

On past performance, I would not have thought it likely that current Government would be enthusiastic about Nationalisation of Food Production, or, very much else for that matter.

But, as an aspirational thought, for a future Labour Government (say), don't you think it would fly, they could even borrow one of JC's ideas, and modify it, instead of free broadband, how about a National Free Food allocation to each and every citizen?

 

[BoldonLad]

Because it is one of the few areas in human essential needs where competition actually works and prices are competitive (in most cases). It would be a waste of resources to bring food production into public ownership when other services, such as you mention need tackling with urgency along with wealth distribution which is a major contributing factor in why people including those who work are using food banks, more so in more deprived areas.

That is at variance with what @mudsticks appears to think, but, if that is what you think, fair enough.

Leaving the above to one side, I didn't envisage that an incoming Labour (?) Government would implement everything on day one, but, Nationalisation of Food Production could be in queue, at an appropriate point.

 

[Deleted member 49]

But, as an aspirational thought, for a future Labour Government (say), don't you think it would fly, they could even borrow one of JC's ideas, and modify it, instead of free broadband, how about a National Free Food allocation to each and every citizen?

Yea all those mad ideas...increasing min wage,extending free childcare,free broadband.
We can't afford any of that that though.
Kerala, a state on the tip of India, with a GDP per capita of £2640 will provide 2 million families with free broadband via a public owned enterprise.

View: https://twitter.com/pinarayivijayan/status/1665727287243726850?t=Qkpfo0CS2quJxkVZBEZjtw&s=19

 

[BoldonLad]

Yea all those mad ideas...increasing min wage,extending free childcare,free broadband.
We can't afford any of that that though.
Kerala, a state on the tip of India, with a GDP per capita of £2640 will provide 2 million families with free broadband via a public owned enterprise.

View: https://twitter.com/pinarayivijayan/status/1665727287243726850?t=Qkpfo0CS2quJxkVZBEZjtw&s=19

Fantastic.

If we can have free broadband, why not a free food allocation.

It would be rather like a "Citizens Wage", an idea they are actually trialling in an area near where I live.

As I understand it, each individual is going to be given £1600/month, no need to apply, no questions asked as to what you do with it.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/jarrow-money-payment-basic-income-27058411

 

[theclaud]

Yea all those mad ideas...increasing min wage,extending free childcare,free broadband.
We can't afford any of that that though.
Kerala, a state on the tip of India, with a GDP per capita of £2640 will provide 2 million families with free broadband via a public owned enterprise.

View: https://twitter.com/pinarayivijayan/status/1665727287243726850?t=Qkpfo0CS2quJxkVZBEZjtw&s=19

 

[Deleted member 121]

'Competition' doesn't work if producers are no longer able to meet the costs of their production, and go out of business though.

You end up with a race to the bottom in terms of standards nutritional, environmental, and working conditions..
And then scarcity.

But hey that's all out of sight, out of mind, and often overseas, so who cares right??

For something so essential to health and wellbeing, and even to life itself, food security, let alone good food security being left to 'the market' seems a highly unwise approach, and it's clearly failed, if people in this country are going hungry.

Health, education, social care are all 'public goods' and supported by gov.

But not food security, Or healthful diets..

Which is curious, given that good nutrition, underpins best outcomes for the first three.

Let's face it, one reason the EU (EEC as was) was set up was to ensure food security, post food insecurity during and after the war.

The CAP has many flaws (for sure) but at least it recognises that food and farming are intrinsic to a nations security.

But yes it's not 'food poverty' that people are suffering, it's plain old poverty poverty.
It's just that food is the variable cost that people can scrimp on more 'easily' than say rent or electric.

I'm not unsympathetic to that, but doesn't that then mean we are left with 2 choices effectively? Lower food regulation, legislation and standards anyway (bleached chicken springs to mind) to lower costs for higher profitability or raise prices to the consumer instigated by an elected government to protect producers? You can see how any elected government is going to see that as about as popular as a fart in a bus shelter.
How effective could these changes be domestically, if we import approximately 50 percent of our food requirements which Brexit has already contributed to higher prices and how do we ensure domestically produced food is competitive with imported produce produced at a lower cost with lower overheads? how then do we then ensure food security given the huge quantities of food we import? Surely, it means higher prices in any instance?

 

[mudsticks]

Not sure I get the connection?

On past performance, I would not have thought it likely that current Government would be enthusiastic about Nationalisation of Food Production, or, very much else for that matter.

Oh dear it is a rather slow day in the Bolders household isn't it..??

'Nationalisation' of something implies that it gets government support via policy adjustments, and even direct funding.

The National Food Strategy - the report that this very government commissioned, and then ignored proposed various ways that the government could support and enhance, via policy and funding good food production, availability, and better nutrition across the country as a whole.



But yeah I get it, it's very difficult to see the connection 🙄