Can the (Met) police ever change?
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This wouldn't be that 'school of life ' some on here dismiss so quickly would it?
newfhouse
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Who dismisses it? Is it possible that higher education and life experience might be a good combination?
mudsticks
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Yup, both are good, but to say that people who have come straight out of school or college have no life experience is reductive, and inaccurate.
They will have experienced life outside of their institutions, at home and in their community.
They'll also have experienced how institutions such as school, or college can be lifted up, or dragged down depending on the culture, and management of the place
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How many fitting that criteria will be queuing up for a job as a beat bobby though?
mudsticks
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In order to 'fix' a problem, you've first got to acknowledge the existence and depth of that problem.
The Met have only just done this, and the CiC is still quibbling over language.
For example whether or not these attitudes are 'institutional' or not..
"But the Met has only reluctantly accepted discrimination and has preferred to put this down to a minority of ābad applesā and to systemic bias, the report adds.
Sexism and misogyny
Sarah Everardās murder and other horrific crimes perpetrated by serving Met officers against women in London have shone a light on shocking treatment of and attitudes towards women in the Met, the report says. "
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ic-trust-what-casey-says-about-the-met-police
It's not on us the public, to fix this, although I'm sure many of us could come up with examples of how culture change has been effected in organisations we've been part of.
newfhouse
pleb
With the current often toxic culture, and on current starting terms and conditions? Probably not enough of the required calibre.
newfhouse
pleb
Weāre talking about population averages here. A twenty-one year old will tend to have less life experience and maturity than a thirty year old. Thatās simply how time works.
multitool
Pharaoh
As if higher education isn't life experience.
It's a meaningless thing to say unless you talk about what sorts of life experiences you mean, and which are useful for policing.
I can't imagine how climbing a pole to insert a couple of bolts would equip you to deal with mental health issues, which is what the police are increasingly asked to do, or give news of a fatality to a family, or assess and deal with an RTA.
30 years ago there was a massive push for graduate entry into the police, because they realised they needed brighter people with an eye on higher ranks. Now the job has become so degraded through funding cuts in the police force itself as well as austerity cuts leading to social decay, that they will take what they can.
One of my friends is a Specialised Firearms Officer nearly at the end of his career. He's not a graduate, but he admits that if he had to go back on the beat he wouldn't know how to do the job.
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mudsticks
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Blimey, thanks for pointing those maths numbers out for me matešš¼
You could also say that a 21 year old will have had less chance to become world weary, negatively institutionalised, and perhaps less likely to have acquired a cynical 'whats the point?' attitude towards making improvements in both themselves, and to the systems in which they find themselves .
newfhouse
pleb
Youāre welcome. Bear in mind Iām writing for the benefit of others too.
You could. Maybe a fit for purpose selection, training, probation, mentoring, and surveillance process would help.
Itās a big ask, in any large firm, to expect recent recruits to make improvements in how things are done. Add in the necessarily hierarchical nature of the police, alongside the legally mandated processes, and you can see why itās a big ship to turn round.
Overall culture is where we have the best chance of making gains through recruiting a diverse intake, but itās still tough.
mudsticks
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Understood š„øYouāre welcome. Bear in mind Iām writing for the benefit of others too.
Ofc I'm not expecting the young ones to do it all themselves, but they can be part of it.
The culture has to change, and that's a multi faceted problem.
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You really ARE Jowwy!
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As if higher education isn't life experience.
It's a meaningless thing to say unless you talk about what sorts of life experiences you mean, and which are useful for policing.
I can't imagine how climbing a pole to insert a couple of bolts would equip you to deal with mental health issues, which is what the police are increasingly asked to do, or give news of a fatality to a family, or assess and deal with an RTA.
30 years ago there was a massive push for graduate entry into the police, because they realised they needed brighter people with an eye on higher ranks. Now the job has become so degraded through funding cuts in the police force itself as well as austerity cuts leading to social decay, that they will take what they can.
One of my friends is a Specialised Firearms Officer nearly at the end of his career. He's not a graduate, but he admits that if he had to go back on the beat he wouldn't know how to do the job.
I'll tell you about 'life experience ' shall I you little pr1ck.
How many mates have you seen killed in front of you following a motorcycle accident, how many friends that you've known since the age of 10 have you had the unfortunate experience of giving evidence at their coronary, how many sons have you had that have suffered life changing injuries due to a traffic accident, how many Daughters have you had battling an eating disorder?
You're a f*cking grade 'A' dickhe4d thats for sure!
Now f**k off back to that rock you've crawled from under and let the real men get on with it.
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