Electric_Andy
Regular
Harassment on white lads is not usually random and for no reason. There is always a reason for police presence, like petty crime or antisocial behavior
Cardiff electric bike incident
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Harassment on white lads is not usually random and for no reason. There is always a reason for police presence, like petty crime or antisocial behavior
C R
Über Member
In any case, I would say that the police had a very good reason to be interested in them on this occasion. This wasn't harassing a group of friends having loud fun in the park, this was an obvious traffic offence.
multitool
Guest
That is quite a loaded statement, and I'm curious as to what underpins it.
In my experience the police know who the problematic people are.
C R
Über Member
The police are perfectly capable of harassing people for no reason they (the police) know will have little come back. That doesn't seem to be the case in this story.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
AuroraSaab
Squire
Regardless of their supposed character, or indeed that of their family, it's an awful tragedy for all involved, including the police officers involved in trying to stop them.
We have a problem around here of young men tearing round farmers fields and along the river bank on motorbikes. Not an issue when they are off road as they are only likely to hurt themselves. Unfortunately to get to the fields they ride in a similar fashion on residential roads; no helmets, masks on, no registration plates on bikes, doing wheelies and not in control of the bike. Could be 15 years old, could be 20. Should the police try to apprehend them before they hit someone? Or stay back in case they kill themselves escaping?
We have a problem around here of young men tearing round farmers fields and along the river bank on motorbikes. Not an issue when they are off road as they are only likely to hurt themselves. Unfortunately to get to the fields they ride in a similar fashion on residential roads; no helmets, masks on, no registration plates on bikes, doing wheelies and not in control of the bike. Could be 15 years old, could be 20. Should the police try to apprehend them before they hit someone? Or stay back in case they kill themselves escaping?
fozy tornip
fozympotent
Dunno. As someone who likes the occasional hike, churned paths and the inescapable squeal of engines are suboptimal.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
We've had decades of policy criminalising young people, and years of eviscerating youth services and community facilities. Labelling young people, their families and sometimes their entire communities as 'problematic' is largely self-fulfilling.
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Deleted member 121
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All the clichés are coming out...
D
Deleted member 121
Guest
I think extra mature cheese with chalky bits in it is too much for the general population to manage....
Is about as relevant to the argument as yours. I can provide data on that too.
multitool
Guest
In what way have the young been 'criminalised'. Which laws have been passed that criminalise them?
This is true. But what if they are 'problematic'? What language should we use?
theclaud
Reading around the chip
If you don't remember any of this, it explains why you're always so surprised that everyone hates New Labour.
Rather than worrying first about the correct labels, we could just stop pretending that young people are the problem, stop drawing them into the criminal justice system for minor transgressions or because of suspicions about what they might do, and start rebuilding youth and community services.
