Cardiff electric bike incident

[AndyRM]

If you're following something, you're pursuing it. Whether with intent, suspicion or anything else, it's still a pursuit.

 

[matticus]

I would also suggest that if you find yourself driving in front of a police vehicle, the more laws you are breaking, the more likely you are to make the kind of assumptions you allude to.

 

[matticus]

If you're following something, you're pursuing it. Whether with intent, suspicion or anything else, it's still a pursuit.

Ah yes - the NACA English Dictionary; I dearly hope no kids learn from it - welsh OR english!

 

[C R]

If you're following something, you're pursuing it. Whether with intent, suspicion or anything else, it's still a pursuit.

A pursuit has a subjective meaning of a chase. If you are driving behind someone you are following them, but I suspect you are very rarely pursuing them.

 

[Xipe Totec]

What pace?

And it's still an assumption - police do sometimes end up behind dodgy road users, and choose to follow/observe them for a bit. When does that become chase/pursuit?

Does not appear to be hanging around.


View: https://youtu.be/9zysQM8AbBA

 

[C R]

Does not appear to be hanging around.


View: https://youtu.be/9zysQM8AbBA

Personally I can't see much wrong with the police taking an interest in that kind of riding on that kind of device.

The question seems to be why it was initially said that the police were not in pursuit. Did the pursuit get called off but the rider kept going dangerously? We just don't know.

 

[Bromptonaut]

If you're following something, you're pursuing it. Whether with intent, suspicion or anything else, it's still a pursuit.

My own observation from Channel 5's wall to wall fly on the coppers' wall programmes is that having determined they want to stop somebody then it's blue lights/siren. If that's not effective in getting the driver to stop then before it becomes a hot pursuit, ie a chase, they have to get authorisation from a senior officer.

If on the other hand the officers are just following while mentally ticking off a list of infringements of the law that's not a pursuit.

 

[AndyRM]

Ah yes - the NACA English Dictionary; I dearly hope no kids learn from it - welsh OR english!

A thesaurus is what you want.

 

[C R]

A thesaurus is what you want.

I don't think you can say that following a vehicle is synonymous with pursuing a vehicle, though the other way around is trivially true.

 

[Beebo]

“Pursuing” has an aim and a conclusion. It is purposeful.
“Following” is much less active.

Where the blue lights flashing on the van? That would indicate a pursuit to me.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Does not appear to be hanging around.


View: https://youtu.be/9zysQM8AbBA

Very hard to tell from the short clip and no measurements. My rough estimate puts the two vehicles at a similar speed of possibly 20 to 25mph.

 

[AndyRM]

I don't think you can say that following a vehicle is synonymous with pursuing a vehicle, though the other way around is trivially true.

I agree. I'm just bored to be honest.

The whole situation is a mess IMO, two kids have died, the police have made an arse of things and a community is being made to look worse than it is. Grim all round really.

 

[matticus]

I agree. I'm just bored to be honest.

Cheer yourself up by writing some sh1te on the internet then!

 

[matticus]

The question seems to be why it was initially said that the police were not in pursuit. Did the pursuit get called off but the rider kept going dangerously? We just don't know.

Later Grauniad suggests they went through a ped-only barrier to get onto Snowden Road. There is one on the map from Jackson Road.
(then allegedly hit a lamp-post 100metres later)

If true, that would easily explain any "pursuit" being called off. Assuming there was a pursuit ...

 

[BoldonLad]

I just find it strange that both died at what would have been a relatively low speed crash. Unless of course they had a head-on with a car and therefore a high combined speed.

Pre-cycle helmets in the Tour de France I can only recall one death, amongst the hundreds, nay thousands of low and high speed crashes.

I'm not inferring anything untoward, but it is extraordinary.

According to reports I saw (BBC), a bus was involved