F*ck the Tories: a Thread Dedicated to Suella Braverman

[albion]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...he-sun-lily-allen-jeremy-corbyn-a7374246.html
yet...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...bour-conservative_uk_5955494fe4b05c37bb7d0051

 

[Xipe Totec]

 

[icowden]

Rishi's been busy:

"Stopping the boats is not just my priority, it's the people's priority," Mr Sunak told the Commons.

Not sure how he assessed "the people's priority". I'd have thought that most people's priority would be lowering energy bills, curbing inflation, fixing trade deals so we can get sodding tomatoes and fixing the health, education and justice systems.

But no. Apparently most people are most concerned about a few people risking their lives on boats...

Just me?

 

[Deleted member 121]

Im not sure about "the people's priority" but it is certainly "his people's priority"...

 

[multitool]

Rishi's been busy:

Not sure how he assessed "the people's priority". I'd have thought that most people's priority would be lowering energy bills, curbing inflation, fixing trade deals so we can get sodding tomatoes and fixing the health, education and justice systems.

But no. Apparently most people are most concerned about a few people risking their lives on boats...

Just me?

He's telling people it is their priority. The power of suggestion. It's an effective tactic because people are suggestive, particularly if the suggestion implies some sort of threat. In this case the 'threat' is not voiced by Sunak himself, but by client media...rapists and murderers, 'fighting age men', 'invasion' etc.

This is what government's do when they cannot fight on a domestic agenda. They pick on an external minority.

It has been interesting to watch the competitive symbiosis between the Tories and Farage. He queued up the ball, but they've stolen it and run with it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Kinda hard to tell when the electoral system rewards 42% of the vote with an 80 seat majority.

Unfortunately we have the system we have and Labour had the chance to change it to whatever may have been better for them but didn't, so until it's altered, the result will be 'what the public wants'.

 

[multitool]

That is because it is the system that favoured Labour at that given moment. Without it, no big Labour majority in 97 onwards.

The wider point about public opinion is that it is not in a distinct static thing. It is shaped by events and words, and people like Jenrick telling the public what they think is one of those shaping factors, which is why he is saying it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

That is because it is the system that favoured Labour at that given moment. Without it, no big Labour majority in 97 onwards.

The wider point about public opinion is that it is not in a distinct static thing. It is shaped by events and words, and people like Jenrick telling the public what they think is one of those shaping factors, which is why he is saying it.

So it suited then but not now.

Oh well.

 

[multitool]

That's politics.

 

[icowden]

So it suited then but not now.
Oh well.

Yep. They failed to notice the rise of the SNP. Losing 40 of their 41 Scottish seats to the SNP has been pretty catastrophic to their chances of a majority. The Conservatives were never that popular in Scotland anyway so it doesn't bother them. The independence referendum was the catalyst but then Corbyn reinforced the SNP by failing to oppose Brexit which was not popular in Scotland. It's unsurprising therefore that Scotland feels that Westminster isn't listening and is pushing for another leave vote.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Yep. They failed to notice the rise of the SNP. Losing 40 of their 41 Scottish seats to the SNP has been pretty catastrophic to their chances of a majority. The Conservatives were never that popular in Scotland anyway so it doesn't bother them. The independence referendum was the catalyst but then Corbyn reinforced the SNP by failing to oppose Brexit which was not popular in Scotland. It's unsurprising therefore that Scotland feels that Westminster isn't listening and is pushing for another leave vote.

Hopefully they can get it, the vote that is.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Yep. They failed to notice the rise of the SNP. Losing 40 of their 41 Scottish seats to the SNP has been pretty catastrophic to their chances of a majority. The Conservatives were never that popular in Scotland anyway so it doesn't bother them. The independence referendum was the catalyst but then Corbyn reinforced the SNP by failing to oppose Brexit which was not popular in Scotland. It's unsurprising therefore that Scotland feels that Westminster isn't listening and is pushing for another leave vote.

History would suggest that's bollocks. In every general election that delivered a Tory government between 1970 and 2010, Scotland definitively voted Labour, and in the subsequent GEs where the SNP 'won', Scottish seats would have made no difference to the UK result.

The UK gets the government England votes for.

 

[Deleted member 28]

The UK gets the government England votes for.

So is he's 'out of step with the English public' then?

 

[icowden]

History would suggest that's bollocks. In every general election that delivered a Tory government between 1970 and 2010, Scotland definitively voted Labour, and in the subsequent GEs where the SNP 'won', Scottish seats would have made no difference to the UK result.

However, whereas there used to be many labour safe seats in Scotland there are now next to none. There have never been many Conservative safe seats in Scotland.

In the 2017 election the Conservatives were 12 short of a majority, and the labour party 48 short of a majority. Before the rise of the SNP that would have been closer to 26 short of a majority. With better campaigning (i.e. some actual opposition campaigning from Corbyn) and the willingness to form a liberal alliance Labour could have formed a government.

Corbyn then failed spectacularly again in 2019, losing even more seats, 14 of which were to the SNP.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

So it suited then but not now.

Orwell.

FTFY