Gender again. Sorry!

[Ianonabike]

This whole thread is epic gaslighting. Endless arguing for these men to have special treatment in every area and then the pretence that this isn't being argued for at all.

Worth repeating.

Ultimately there are circumstances where there will be competing ideals, but there are often ways to achieve a happy medium.

Ultimately a person is either male or female (even those with DSDs). So ultimately they belong in either male or female spaces. "Happy medium" seems to always mean women compromising.

(doubtless more gaslighting and logical fallacies)

How anybody takes ignored member seriously is beyond me. He's capable of sounding halfway reasonable, especially when AI is doing the heavy lifting, but any halfway competent troll should be able to manage that.

 

[monkers]

Man and women aren't social constructs. There aren't 2 kinds of women, reproductive and non reproductive. The reason you try to disconnect the word woman from biology is so that a man can pretend to be one.

So you will say. But you saying it doesn't make it fact because opinions on this vary between any group including feminists.

 

[monkers]

Man and women aren't social constructs. There aren't 2 kinds of women, reproductive and non reproductive. The reason you try to disconnect the word woman from biology is so that a man can pretend to be one.

I said that gender critical people say that gender is a social construct - not that I say so. If I use the search function, will I be able to find you claiming this at any time?

This is you Aurora ...

Gender is a social construction. It relies on stereotypes of femininity and masculinity.
Sex is biology. It relies on material realism.

Sex is why women are oppressed. Gender is how they are oppressed. The conflation of 'gender' and 'sex' erases the material reality of women's experiences, whose challenges in life are based on their sex not on the nebulous concept of what their gender identity might or might not be.

Why wouldn't anybody want to do away with stereotypes and allow people to express themselves however they wish, acknowledging differences between the sexes only when it is relevant? That's what gender critical feminists want.

https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/...ted-to-suella-braverman.253/page-5#post-24313

This is how you pivot from the gender critical position, say one thing only to claim the opposite when the mirror is held up to your views.

 

[classic33]

"ignored member said:
(doubtless more gaslighting and logical fallacies)"
How anybody takes ignored member seriously is beyond me. He's capable of sounding halfway reasonable, especially when AI is doing the heavy lifting, but any halfway competent troll should be able to manage that.

Odd that piece only appears on here in your post, yet you present it as though it's been said by someone else.
Where is the post with it in?

 

[CXRAndy]

Maybe if people stopped being 'dicks' to people who just happen to be 'other', the world would become a better place?

That's what got us in trouble.

Tell people the truth, no matter how unpalatable the taste.

Dose if reality is the cure

 

[monkers]

That's what got us in trouble.

Tell people the truth, no matter how unpalatable the taste.

Dose if reality is the cure

Why do you feel the urge to tell people anything that causes them despair? Isn't this the very definition of being a ''dick''?

The answer is to live and let live. See UNDHR Articles, 1, 19, and 30. This is their purpose - to promote peace in the community.

 

[CXRAndy]

live and let live

Totally agree, as long your living doesn't impinge upon others.

Women and girls should not have to accept men in their spaces

 

[monkers]

Totally agree, as long your living doesn't impinge upon others.

Women and girls should not have to accept men in their spaces

There have been plenty of occasions when people here have told you that your behaviour is not welcome in this space.

Perhaps you should follow your own opinions along the logical path, and just quit?

 

[CXRAndy]

There have been plenty of occasions when people here have told you that your behaviour is not welcome in this space.

Perhaps you should follow your own opinions along the logical path, and just quit?

View: https://x.com/gervaisclips/status/1989067487430996353?t=CNZuwjqQSoLksk1lwYeIow&s=19

 

[monkers]

View: https://x.com/gervaisclips/status/1989067487430996353?t=CNZuwjqQSoLksk1lwYeIow&s=19

Having the right to spout offence views is one thing - feeling compelled to do so because you are a 'dick' is quite another.


Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) guarantees the right to freedom of opinion and expression, which includes the freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

This right is foundational to a free and open society and is crucial for both individual and collective well-being.

What do you understand by ''regardless of frontiers''?

Do you believe Article 19 guarantees freedom of expression without consequence in the UK?

 

[CXRAndy]

Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) guarantees the right to freedom of opinion and expression, which includes the freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers

Yet you're trying to impinge upon my opinions 🤔

 

[AuroraSaab]

I said that gender critical people say that gender is a social construct - not that I say so. If I use the search function, will I be able to find you claiming this at any time?

Here you are saying gender is a social construct.

You said today that 'man' and 'woman' are social constructs. They aren't. They are biological sexes. They are material reality. 'Gender' is made up. It's just stereotypes. You seek to divorce the words 'man' and specifically 'woman' from biology, from material reality, so that you can claim the term can include the other sex. And with that everything that feminists have fought for is undermined because now a man can be a woman and can have access to women's spaces. It's epic gaslighting that you perform on here year in year out.

 

[monkers]

Here you are saying gender is a social construct.

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You said today that 'man' and 'woman' are social constructs. They aren't. They are biological sexes. They are material reality. 'Gender' is made up. It's just stereotypes. You seek to divorce the words 'man' and specifically 'woman' from biology, from material reality, so that you can claim the term can include the other sex. And with that everything that feminists have fought for is undermined because now a man can be a woman and can have access to women's spaces. It's epic gaslighting that you perform on here year in year out.

Are you now denying that said this?

Gender is a social construction.

Only I've pasted your quote in full and in context, and provided a link to it.

Reminder, I did not post to say that was my opinion, but that of some gender critical people, and as it turned out, that did seem to include you.

 

[classic33]

Women and girls should not have to accept men in their spaces

Says the person who volunteered to patrol womens spaces with a thermal camera to confirm that they were women only in these spaces.

 

[CXRAndy]

Says the person who volunteered to patrol womens spaces with a thermal camera to confirm that they were women only in these spaces.

You're mistaken. I believe I said the entrance. You run along and find where I said I would enter women's spaces

Try looking on Bike Radar or Cycling UK