Gender again. Sorry!
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AuroraSaab
Squire
If women are meeting peacefully and a demonstrator pushes through the police cordon and grabs the microphone, it's not unreasonable that they are removed. It is the police's job to remove those causing trouble, not the women's job.
Mr Celine
Well-Known Member
So just to be clear, if this was 1916 and you had a choice would you rather
A) Be safely at home with your children, but with no right to own property or vote;
Or
B) Be ordered to leave the relative safety of a muddy rat and lice infested trench to slowly march through clouds of poison gas while a hail of bullets and shrapnel whizzes past your ears, seeing your pals and comrades being blown to smithereens before your eyes and wondering when it will be your tu...?
AuroraSaab
Squire
Every gender critical person is a zealot to you. Do you think the women present should have left their meeting and gone to fight the Nazi blokes? Or is it the police's job to keep control of agitators who rock up to cause trouble?
In fact, do you think people in general have a right to meet in public? If they aren't breaking the law in what they say, should they be free to assemble without fear of violence from a group that disagrees with them?
classic33
Me
You don't have to say a word to cause problems/issues. Often just turning up, in numbers, at such a gathering can cause problems. The police have an obligation to see that they keep the risk of two, or more opposing groups, from coming into contact with each other.
It's also the job of the organizers of such public demonstrations to ensure they stay within the law.
classic33
Me
Even then, some of them never had the right to vote if they returned home.
AuroraSaab
Squire
Well that's 4 years when UK women would probably rather be at home than in a trench I expect. Now do the other 6,000 years of human civilisation, when there mostly weren't wars on but women everywhere in the world were at the bottom of every society's pile.
Nobody is denying men have their own challenges and difficulties, not least being expected to do hard and dangerous jobs or go to war. But is there any single point in history when you would genuinely have rather been born female than male, in terms of individual freedom and opportunities that were available to you at the time?
AuroraSaab
Squire
Nice to see you promoting the artist whose main claim to fame is using photos of actual children pinched from Facebook to trace for their diaper-fur kink art.
"Stop wriggling it'll be easier"
Been in the news a bit recently for their book tour if anybody cares to Google Sophie Labelle.
multitool
Pharaoh
Weird question. Why would they fight them? They are part of their movement.
Think you need to take a step back, pause for breath, and ask yourself why your zealotry is leading you to defend people who march with neo-fascists. That's the thing about zealotry...sooner or later it consumes you and you can't see the wood for the trees.
OP
OP
theclaud
Reading around the chip
OK having Googled her I'm gonna back Aurora on this one. Even after adjusting for tabloid shoot-stirring, looks like a wrong 'un.
AuroraSaab
Squire
No, the point is you promoting the work of someone whose main interest is drawing sexualised pictures of toddlers as animals in nappies for adults to get off on, then trying to duck out of the guilt by association you impose on others.
If you can post 'Here's Aurora's heroine Julie Bindel', can we can now say here's yours? No, because I don't think for a minute you support that #ABDL nonce adjacent crap even though that's how your guilt by association tactic works.
You should also check out Eli Erlich, your chosen source that basically 'transed' a man born with a dsd in one of your earlier posts. They seem to be engaged in sending out prescription hormones to people with no checks on age, medical records, mental health etc. Again, I'm going to assume you don't agree with this even though Ehlich is 'your side'.
If you can post 'Here's Aurora's heroine Julie Bindel', can we can now say here's yours? No, because I don't think for a minute you support that #ABDL nonce adjacent crap even though that's how your guilt by association tactic works.
You should also check out Eli Erlich, your chosen source that basically 'transed' a man born with a dsd in one of your earlier posts. They seem to be engaged in sending out prescription hormones to people with no checks on age, medical records, mental health etc. Again, I'm going to assume you don't agree with this even though Ehlich is 'your side'.
multitool
Pharaoh
Here's the weird thing...
I post up something about KJK and her Nazi followers and up you pop, even though you aren't mentioned, and the one thing you aren't doing is condemning the nazis or KJK. What you try and do is attack the criticism of these people with phrases like " oh the nazis were just there to attack antifa", which is bollocks because they had a massive transphobic banner, which even you with your tunnel vision could not miss.
I can't see how the other work of the artist of that cartoon I linked to is in anyway relevant. I've never heard of this person. The message was the message of that cartoon and no other. And that message both stands and is undiminished by whatever else that artist says or does.
As many have said, your views on trans rights are shared by nazis and that ought to give you pause for thought. If I apply your cartoon analogy to this it would mean you also want Jews exterminated, which clearly you don't.
I post up something about KJK and her Nazi followers and up you pop, even though you aren't mentioned, and the one thing you aren't doing is condemning the nazis or KJK. What you try and do is attack the criticism of these people with phrases like " oh the nazis were just there to attack antifa", which is bollocks because they had a massive transphobic banner, which even you with your tunnel vision could not miss.
I can't see how the other work of the artist of that cartoon I linked to is in anyway relevant. I've never heard of this person. The message was the message of that cartoon and no other. And that message both stands and is undiminished by whatever else that artist says or does.
As many have said, your views on trans rights are shared by nazis and that ought to give you pause for thought. If I apply your cartoon analogy to this it would mean you also want Jews exterminated, which clearly you don't.
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monkers
Legendary Member
Sophie Labelle has a kink that she has admitted to. It's something I don't understand, I don't appreciate it as art, and I'm sure that it doesn't pass my 'yuck test'.
The comic strip cartoon stuff on the other hand is published work intended as educational material. Setting aside my distaste for her artwork which is not intended for children as an audience, I think there should be some space to see that there is a distinction to be made between published educational material and private art.
I also think it ironic that the same people who have complained about no-platforming campaign to have others no-platformed.
There's also the point that if trans people were better accommodated in UK society as they are in other countries, there'd be no need for any of this.
The comic strip cartoon stuff on the other hand is published work intended as educational material. Setting aside my distaste for her artwork which is not intended for children as an audience, I think there should be some space to see that there is a distinction to be made between published educational material and private art.
I also think it ironic that the same people who have complained about no-platforming campaign to have others no-platformed.
There's also the point that if trans people were better accommodated in UK society as they are in other countries, there'd be no need for any of this.
