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You've convinced me.
Gender again. Sorry!
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You've convinced me.
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By women I think you mean you...
AuroraSaab
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Yet detransitioned girls and young women frequently report that not fitting in to the hyper feminised, hyper sexualised culture that is so prevalent nowadays was in part a driver for transitioning. Autism is also over-represented in anorexics and those children referred to gender clinics. Much of this stuff is inter-related. Which kind of makes the 'gender identity is innate from birth' concept a bit hard to swallow.
Aurora doesn't 'see' it, therefore it doesn't exist
What is this utter, utter horseshit? You are absolutely clueless.
There is loads of research on this issue. Men often have a wide friendship group but fewer close friends than women. As usual though, you know better than years of research.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-ooze/202204/why-male-and-female-friendships-are-so-different#:~:text=Sex Differences in Friendships,less intimate ones, than women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw...erent-and-scientists-dont-know-why/a-62824177
It's one reason why men have a suicide rate of double, sometimes triple, that of women, even though women have higher rates of depression.
If you have a lot of very close male friends I'm genuinely happy for you. It's awesome having close friends you can ring any time night or day, knowing they'll be there for you 100%. I've always had that from my women friends and everybody should have it really.
No idea what you're point is here. If there are in fact more gay men that gay women I would think that is because it's easier for women to hide their sexuality.
multitool
Pharaoh
Which makes it, by definition, the opposite of a social contagion, and drivers for anorexia.
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Now you're just taking the piss
AuroraSaab
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Lol. There are a lot of negatives about being female but close friendships is one of the huge pluses. Just shows though, the patriarchy is bad for men too in lots of ways.
I won't post the link as some people on here will take the p*ss or say 'not really trans' or 'outlier', but I saw a thing the other day of a young transman saying how lonely it was being a transman and that there wasn't the companionship and sense of brotherhood (for want of a better word) that they'd hoped for. Patriarchy is a bit rubbish for everybody really.
AuroraSaab
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Yes they are because you can't change your sex. We all know that.
Because they have transitioned to male expecting to find the male community similar to the female community - close friendships, supportive etc. - and didn't. They didn't feel they fit in with females, but having fully transitioned found the male experience different from what they imagined. Only one person's experience, and you could argue they've just been unlucky in not finding close male friends yet.
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multitool
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But you view that as a woman trying to make a close friendship with men. According to you it wasn't a man trying to make close friendships with men, so you cannot cite it as evidence to support your point.
Unless you are now saying that trans new ARE men, when it suits you, but women when it doesn't.
Unless you are now saying that trans new ARE men, when it suits you, but women when it doesn't.
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theclaud
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I don't really find this. I do have good friendships with women, but I have a greater number of good friendships with men. With some exceptions, I find female-only groups more challenging company than mixed ones or even male ones. Perhaps not everyone has the same unproblematic experiences of gendered socialisation that you do.
AuroraSaab
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Nope, I'm saying men don't form close friendships in the same way as women do. You seem to deny this - I'm glad your experience has been different, but research does suggest that is the case.
How I perceive them isn't relevant. Why would it be? I don't know them. Unless you are saying that the reason they are lonely is because other males don't accept them as male - but that goes against everything you've ever claimed on here about transgender acceptance amongst the general public.
Their complaint isn't that men don't accept them as a man though (don't think they even mentioned that). It's that being a bloke isn't all it's cracked up to be in terms of social interactions and support. Don't single men report the highest levels of loneliness?
How I perceive them isn't relevant. Why would it be? I don't know them. Unless you are saying that the reason they are lonely is because other males don't accept them as male - but that goes against everything you've ever claimed on here about transgender acceptance amongst the general public.
Their complaint isn't that men don't accept them as a man though (don't think they even mentioned that). It's that being a bloke isn't all it's cracked up to be in terms of social interactions and support. Don't single men report the highest levels of loneliness?
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theclaud
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This video popped up on my TL the other day. It seems to be doing numbers There may be quite a lot to unpack in terms of gendered roles, and I don't know anything about the situation beyond how it is framed in the Tweet. But I find it difficult to read as anything other than a positive experience for the person at the centre of it. What do you think/feel about it (try not to just repeat mantras)?
View: https://twitter.com/dox_gay/status/1667075198267408384?t=nR5JVCgENr-qW8q2SqSitw&s=19
