Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

That Pride has centred it more and more in the UK is certainly a modern thing. The rise of identity politics has also played its part with a lot of straight people identifying as 'queer'.
A movement that was about making your sexuality something that was fully accepted and the least interesting thing about yourself is now being steered by different activists.

 

[Ian H]

...fully accepted and the least interesting thing about yourself...

Any sources for that? I've only ever heard the homophobic "we don't want to know".

 

[AuroraSaab]

Sources for my view that early Pride events were based on campaigning for acceptance of same sex attraction as being normal and uninteresting (and obviously equality in law)? And weren't about furries and drag queens? The historic photos suggest they were.

 

[AndyRM]

A lot of people find drag queens to be sexist caricatures of women and as dated and regressive as blackface. I would no more want to see a drag queen at my place of work than I would want to see the Black and White Minstrels.

That drag queens, trans rights, furries, and fetish gear have become synonymous with Pride is a bit depressing. It probably explains the increasing lack of support for it from both punters and sponsors. Half a dozen or so have been cancelled so far.

That you think that's happening is a bit depressing.

I had a lovely chat with Lucy earlier and she agreed that wandering around wouldn't have been appropriate.

 

[AuroraSaab]

In years to come we'll regard drag queens in the same way we regard blackface comedy and people will be embarrassed that they thought it was just a bit of a laugh, it's just like panto etc.
It's not. It's the same as this:

 

[icowden]

It's not. It's the same as this:

No it isn't. It's more like this:-

If you mistake a drag queen for a woman, the drag queen has failed spectacularly IMHO.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

If you mistake a drag queen for a woman, the drag queen has failed spectacularly IMHO

I don't suppose many thought the black and white minstrels were actually black.
Blackface is now seen as abhorrent, yet drag queens are seen as positive in certain sectors of society. A contradiction, I think.

 

[mickle]

That you think that's happening is a bit depressing.

I had a lovely chat with Lucy earlier and she agreed that wandering around wouldn't have been appropriate.

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[CXRAndy]

Credit where it's due Starmer says hospitals universities should not drag their feet in single sex facilities


View: https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1939608997574635874?t=N4Sa33b2MaOlotH9Kvr52Q&s=19

 

[AuroraSaab]

As with 'transwomen banned from sport', nobody is actually banned from anything. They're just required to use the facilities or services appropriate to their sex, or mixed sex third spaces if available.

 

[AndyRM]

In years to come we'll regard drag queens in the same way we regard blackface comedy and people will be embarrassed that they thought it was just a bit of a laugh, it's just like panto etc.
It's not. It's the same as this:

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It really, really isn't.

Also drag has been going on for a long, long time.

 

[AuroraSaab]

As had performing blackface, and doing racist and sexist comedy routines, and acting out humiliating, mocking stereotypes of gay men. It's funny how only demeaning caricatures of women are the thing that's allowed to stay because of tradition.

 

[AndyRM]

As had performing blackface, and doing racist and sexist comedy routines, and acting out humiliating, mocking stereotypes of gay men. It's funny how only demeaning caricatures of women are the thing that's allowed to stay because of tradition.

Have you ever been to a drag show?

 

[CXRAndy]

Have you ever been to a drag show?

I have been to pantomime show. I presume it's the same

 

[icowden]

Have you ever been to a drag show?

I think you know the answer to that...