Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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So does Johnson say Starmer is left of Blair and Brown?
General Election 2024....
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monkers
Legendary Member
Great question.
monkers
Legendary Member
Sadly yes.
Johnson et al demonised Corbyn as 'dangerous' and 'a traitor' - whereas they only calling Starmer 'dangerous'.
multitool
Guest
At this juncture I don't think it matters at all. To whom is Johnson actually speaking?
monkers
Legendary Member
There remains a body of public opinion in thrall of Johnson. Ignore his influence at peril.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-johnson-bring-back-half-095934693.html
cookiemonster
Veteran
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- Far away from the asylum
Sadly yes. That traitor still has a hold over the more gammony and brainless sh*theads of the Tory party and the Red Wall.
multitool
Guest
There will always be people like this. The Tory grassroots are, and have always been loons.
It only matters when they manage to capture the public narrative with delusions of autarky like Brexit.
But now is not that moment.
multitool
Guest
That's a poll of Johnson loyalists.
It's a self-selecting sample. Utterly pointless poll.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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- Bugbrooke, Northants
Not to me but there are many who regard him as 'the hero over the water' and I'm curious.
EDIT: Didn't read @monkers post waking the same point.
monkers
Legendary Member
Look; if you are sitting pretty as a Labour supporter in a Labour safe seat, you don't have much to worry about. On the other hand as I have already posted today, I live in a seat where the difference between blue and red is reckoned by Electoral Calculus to be just 1% - which means a swing requirement of just 0.5% plus one.
If you think that gap can't be changed by Johnson and his fan club damaging Starmer with negative rhetoric, you'd better have a little word with yourself.
cookiemonster
Veteran
- Location
- Far away from the asylum
From The National.
But former Scottish Tory leader Davidson was not impressed, tweeting: “The deluge launch drowned out by D:Ream.
“A brewery visit with a teetotal PM, so no chance of a piss-up.
“Now a site visit to something famous for sinking.
“Is there a double agent in CCHQ (Conservative Campaign Headquarters), and were they a headline writer in a previous life?
“Our candidates deserve better.”
Brilliantly put.
But former Scottish Tory leader Davidson was not impressed, tweeting: “The deluge launch drowned out by D:Ream.
“A brewery visit with a teetotal PM, so no chance of a piss-up.
“Now a site visit to something famous for sinking.
“Is there a double agent in CCHQ (Conservative Campaign Headquarters), and were they a headline writer in a previous life?
“Our candidates deserve better.”
Brilliantly put.
multitool
Guest
Johnson supporters will not be swayed. Mail and Telegraph readers will not be swayed. So who will be swayed by Johnson..a PM forced to step down for lying?
You haven't considered the possibility that Johnson's words will have the opposite effect. Have a look back at his approval ratings when he was on his way out. The man is toxic for all but a few loons. The swappable are not going to be swayed by him.
monkers
Legendary Member
You are making obvious errors. Johnson et al will not need to persuade people to vote Tory instead of Labour to change the outcome. Johnson is not a candidate, not asking for people's vote.
All they have to do is to persuade former Tory voters not to sit on their hands, but turn out to vote Tory again. That could be quite a big number, and certainly enough to help the Tory candidate to win where I live.
multitool
Guest
And why did those "former Tory voters" become " former Tory voters"?
Logical error on your part. We aren't going to agree on this, and my entire point is that it doesn't warrant discussion, so that's my last word.
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