Local Elections May 2024

[C R]

Labour, Lib Dem and Green have all made considerable gains.

Reform made very little impact, yet Braverman thinks going to the Right is what the public want.

Braverman, like all fascists, doesn't give a fück about what the public want. We underestimate at our peril her determination to impose what she wants on the public.

I don't much care for what Chiles normally blabbers in the graun, but this was bang on the money, and applies to Braverman, Farage and the other tory and reform headbangers

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-a-century-on-are-we-making-the-same-mistake

 

[fozy tornip]

I hope it's her. That way they'll be out of power for a decade*

*assuming no massive negative change in the country's fortunes under KS.

A vote for Starmer is a vote to put the fascist apocalypse on ice for a whole decade... all being well?

 

[icowden]

The lack of introspection from Braverman is breathtaking.

It's amazing isn't it. It's essentially "Captain, we've taken significant damage to the left side of the ship on that ice shelf. I think we need to steer directly into the iceberg now. It's the only sensible option".

 

[Beebo]

A vote for Starmer is a vote to put the fascist apocalypse on ice for a whole decade... all being well?

History suggests that they will burn themselves out in opposition. And a sensible, moderate right wing party will rise from the ashes.

But if the fascist apocalypse is unavoidable, then putting it off for 10 years isn’t such a bad thing.

 

[fozy tornip]

Which history suggests that?

 

[C R]

History suggests that they will burn themselves out in opposition. And a sensible, moderate right wing party will rise from the ashes.

But if the fascist apocalypse is unavoidable, then putting it off for 10 years isn’t such a bad thing.

Burn themselves like in Spain, Italy and Germany in the 20s and 30s?

 

[multitool]

Burn themselves like in Spain, Italy and Germany in the 20s and 30s?

I don't think we are quite in the economic conditions that bred those movements. The US is at more of a risk than we are. Besides, the electorate look to have roundly rejected the more extreme Tory party.
Added to which, we've just had a nationalist movement and it has ended in failure.

 

[Beebo]

Which history suggests that?

The history which shows that British general elections are won in the centre ground.
No party has won by moving hard left or hard right.

 

[C R]

The history which shows that British general elections are won in the centre ground.
No party has won by moving hard left or hard right.

The nazi party never won an election. The falange in Spain was always a marginal party.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The nazi party never won an election. The falange in Spain was always a marginal party.

They were near enough to doing so in 1932 that they got their hands on the levers of power.

 

[multitool]

The nazi party never won an election. The falange in Spain was always a marginal party.

They did in Germany in 1932. German voting system meant there would be a coalition, but Hitler got largest vote share by a country mile.

 

[C R]

They did in Germany in 1932. German voting system meant there would be a coalition, but Hitler got largest vote share by a country mile.

They had less than 40% of the vote and were a long way from having enough seats to form a government. There could have been been a coalition that kept them out, but they had managed to shift the debate so far that they were somehow seen as more respectable than the communists or the social democrats. Sound familiar?

 

[C R]

The point I am trying to make is that it doesn't matter if Braverman or Farage sound unhinged to us. As long as they are given a platform like yesterday at the BBC where they can blather unchallenged, their blatherings gather an air of respectability which grows with each interview. And that's what Chiles was talking about.

 

[multitool]

They had less than 40% of the vote and were a long way from having enough seats to form a government. There could have been been a coalition that kept them out, but they had managed to shift the debate so far that they were somehow seen as more respectable than the communists or the social democrats. Sound familiar?

No it doesn't sound familiar.

There WAS a coalition. That is how Hindenburgh came to appoint Hitler as Chancellor, because the Nazis were by far the most successful. WRT to a comparison with UK politics, there isn't one. We have a system that delivers majority government.

Braverman has been blathering on forever. In the week before the election the government triumphantly paraded the first (bogus) despatch of someone to Rwanda. And yet, look at the polling result. The most extreme party (Reform) won zero seats IN SPITE OF incessant platforming of Tice.

We've had our populist nationalist movement in the UK. It was called Brexit and it is utterly discredited. It is abundantly clear that the electorate as a whole are not interested in extremist parties.

 

[C R]

No it doesn't sound familiar.

There WAS a coalition. That is how Hindenburgh came to appoint Hitler as Chancellor, because the Nazis were by far the most successful. WRT to a comparison with UK politics, there isn't one. We have a system that delivers majority government.

Braverman has been blathering on forever. In the week before the election the government triumphantly paraded the first (bogus) despatch of someone to Rwanda. And yet, look at the polling result. The most extreme party (Reform) won zero seats IN SPITE OF incessant platforming of Tice.

We've had our populist nationalist movement in the UK. It was called Brexit and it is utterly discredited. It is abundantly clear that the electorate as a whole are not interested in extremist parties.

Last time I checked we were still out of the EU and no one in the mainstream dares talk about improving relations with the EU, let alone rejoin. I would say that's a resounding success in terms of controlling the political debate.