Meat is (climate) Murder....

Page may contain affiliate links. Please see terms for details.

Rusty Nails

Country Member
There are black gammons too so I’m not sure that would necessarily help. Gammon is usually a description rather than a self selected identity.

Now I'm really confused. A description based on the hue of one's skin is not really that at all.

Next you'll be telling that calling someone yellow is not to do with the colour of their skin, or a jealous person does not have to be green. If i wasn't so blue at the moment I'd be really browned-off.
 

slowmotion

Active Member
I won't be going on an orgy of self-flagellation because I like pork and chicken. Sorry, but I'm a very bad person.
 
Last edited:

AuroraSaab

Legendary Member
Do you think you could see yourself eating less meat if it was of better quality, SM? I try to avoid ready meals these days because the meat content is often of low quality. I don't mean having more meat free meals, just having smaller portions of nicer meat cooked from scratch.

As an aside, I see Jack Monroe's latest 'cooking on the cheap' is getting a kicking on social media.
 
Last edited:
D

Deleted member 28

Guest
Is it worth pointing out - again - that gammon is a state of mind and not always a physical description?

Is it?

So I guess anyone who's offended, frustrated or angered by something could be described as 'gammony'.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of threads started on this forum that suggest people are all of the above due to the current government's actions than not?

So are YOU all a bunch of gammons?
 

slowmotion

Active Member
Do you think you could see yourself eating less meat if it was of better quality, SM? I try to avoid ready meals these days because the meat content is often of low quality. I don't mean having more meat free meals, just having smaller portions of nicer meat cooked from scratch.

We hardly ever eat beef or lamb, and almost never have ready meals. Judging by the prices at the local butcher, the chicken and pork are pretty high quality. It's not cheap to eat good quality meat unless you have a night vision scope and a suppressor on your gun.
 

AuroraSaab

Legendary Member
If you're buying from a local butcher it's probably as good as it gets then, good quality local meat. We are a half veggie household so we don't eat much meat, mostly chicken, which does make it a lot cheaper to buy quality stuff.
 
Is it?

So I guess anyone who's offended, frustrated or angered by something could be described as 'gammony'.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of threads started on this forum that suggest people are all of the above due to the current government's actions than not?

So are YOU all a bunch of gammons?

No, not really. The expression already has a meaning that is associated with large and small C conservatives that invent their own outrages.

“We” are more likely to be woke, leftie, libtard snowflakes than gammons.
 

AuroraSaab

Legendary Member
What's Jack done to cause a kerfuffle?

Put out a book about surviving on a budget with some money saving tips that people are taking the p*ss out of big style.

Viz Top Tips type stuff like 'If you can't afford a tin opener you can open your beans with a hammer and a knife', and 'Mop your floor with your tumble dryer water'. If you don't have a round pastry cutter you can sand down the edges of a tuna can apparently and use that.

Can openers are 50p at Tesco and most skint folk don't have, or can't afford to run, a tumble dryer.

FlsejZyWYAAi84U.jpeg


I think for some critics it's partly the suggestion that she's still poor when she's had lots of books, been on TV etc. On the other hand she says she has ADHD and has posted some odd random stuff in the past so I can believe she doesn't manage her money very well.

I thought about starting a thread on her last year when there was a bit of a fuss, as it's quite interesting how we lionise people and then knock them down (sometimes deserved, sometimes not).
 

mudsticks

Squire
Put out a book about surviving on a budget with some money saving tips that people are taking the p*ss out of big style.

Viz Top Tips type stuff like 'If you can't afford a tin opener you can open your beans with a hammer and a knife', and 'Mop your floor with your tumble dryer water'. If you don't have a round pastry cutter you can sand down the edges of a tuna can apparently and use that.

Can openers are 50p at Tesco and most skint folk don't have, or can't afford to run, a tumble dryer.

View attachment 2799

I think for some critics it's partly the suggestion that she's still poor when she's had lots of books, been on TV etc. On the other hand she says she has ADHD and has posted some odd random stuff in the past so I can believe she doesn't manage her money very well.

I thought about starting a thread on her last year when there was a bit of a fuss, as it's quite interesting how we lionise people and then knock them down (sometimes deserved, sometimes not).

Most cans have ring pulls these days anyhow.
Jack seems overwhelmingly like a force for good on the whole.
Even if they're not living in dire poverty now, it's an experience they've had and will be aware of the realities, the depressing effect on both physical and mental health, self esteem etc.

Of course if they want books published by the mainstream there will be a requirement to 'nice things up' a bit not rock the boat or be so radical socialist as to make relatively comfortably off publishing execs feel uncomfortable.

I sometimes come across 'well meaning, not quite getting it' type people in the food system change / food sovereignty movement.

They'll suggest that it's all about education, and that we just need to teach these people in how to make wholesome casseroles out of root vegetables, and cheaper cuts of meat.

Whereas the problems are far more systemic than that.
Overpriced and insecure housing, lack of facilities, yes education , but also a 'food culture' crafted, controlled and sold back to those on low incomes, by an extractive industrialised systems that's no kind of 'culture' at all, and which is causing so many problems in the first place.

We had a good old rant last night about dear old George Monbiot and how he really doesn't really quite get it on the food and farming front either.

So much of what he says is often correct , but he also is trying to replace one oversimplified industrialised monoculture (factory farming of animals) with another industrialised system of plant (and factory plant) based food, which is also not 'sustainable.

It's a lot of number crunching and broad brush solutions.
Such as saying it takes X no. of acres to raise a lamb to kill weight, and that therefore all the sheep should be removed, and that those acres should instead be used to produce plant food for humans .

Whereas detailed multilayered multifunctional agroecological food production systems are so much more complex, and interdependent than that.

That would be a fun dinner party - George and Jack come round for tea and we chow down on these meaty issues..
 
OP
OP
Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

Guru
Put out a book about surviving on a budget with some money saving tips that people are taking the p*ss out of big style.

Viz Top Tips type stuff like 'If you can't afford a tin opener you can open your beans with a hammer and a knife', and 'Mop your floor with your tumble dryer water'. If you don't have a round pastry cutter you can sand down the edges of a tuna can apparently and use that.

Can openers are 50p at Tesco and most skint folk don't have, or can't afford to run, a tumble dryer.

View attachment 2799

I think for some critics it's partly the suggestion that she's still poor when she's had lots of books, been on TV etc. On the other hand she says she has ADHD and has posted some odd random stuff in the past so I can believe she doesn't manage her money very well.

I thought about starting a thread on her last year when there was a bit of a fuss, as it's quite interesting how we lionise people and then knock them down (sometimes deserved, sometimes not).

As if on cue...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/jack-monroe-interview?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

She's certainly something of a train-wreck.
Social media is quick to criticise both people's success and failiures and Jack is an easy target for more reasons than most (insert bigotry here).
She's done a lot of good for a lot of people and should be allowed to be successful as a result - should she give away her earnings and wear a hair shirt? Some people seem to expect her to be be some sort of a Mother Theresa figure. it's the old NME 'they sold-out' mantra as soon as a band becomes popular.

I can see why there is some criticism of her new book, it lools a bit Viz judging on your sample (as do all thrift books), but if the book's about 'thrift' even people with tumble-dryers may also need to economise as their daily budget is eroded by economic circumstances.
Neither is everybody's work output perfect. It's a shame the Trussel Trust won't circulate the copies she's donated.
Sadly she'll always be a divisive character and the haters gonna hate....
 

qigong chimp

Settler of gobby hash.
Put out a book about surviving on a budget with some money saving tips that people are taking the p*ss out of big style.

Viz Top Tips type stuff like 'If you can't afford a tin opener you can open your beans with a hammer and a knife', and 'Mop your floor with your tumble dryer water'. If you don't have a round pastry cutter you can sand down the edges of a tuna can apparently and use that.

Can openers are 50p at Tesco and most skint folk don't have, or can't afford to run, a tumble dryer.

View attachment 2799

I think for some critics it's partly the suggestion that she's still poor when she's had lots of books, been on TV etc. On the other hand she says she has ADHD and has posted some odd random stuff in the past so I can believe she doesn't manage her money very well.

I thought about starting a thread on her last year when there was a bit of a fuss, as it's quite interesting how we lionise people and then knock them down (sometimes deserved, sometimes not).

She's an easy hit and we can laugh. I do. But a few more years of Conservative govt and we'll be huddling around braziers under flyovers with our feet wrapped in rags, wishing we'd had the foresight to save some tuna tins in which to serve our medaillons of toasted rat, and tutting about Harry's disloyalty to his monarcho-military gene pool and nursery.
 

Ian H

Guru
Most cans have ring pulls these days anyhow.
Jack seems overwhelmingly like a force for good on the whole.
Even if they're not living in dire poverty now, it's an experience they've had and will be aware of the realities, the depressing effect on both physical and mental health, self esteem etc.

Of course if they want books published by the mainstream there will be a requirement to 'nice things up' a bit not rock the boat or be so radical socialist as to make relatively comfortably off publishing execs feel uncomfortable.

I sometimes come across 'well meaning, not quite getting it' type people in the food system change / food sovereignty movement.

They'll suggest that it's all about education, and that we just need to teach these people in how to make wholesome casseroles out of root vegetables, and cheaper cuts of meat.

Whereas the problems are far more systemic than that.
Overpriced and insecure housing, lack of facilities, yes education , but also a 'food culture' crafted, controlled and sold back to those on low incomes, by an extractive industrialised systems that's no kind of 'culture' at all, and which is causing so many problems in the first place.

We had a good old rant last night about dear old George Monbiot and how he really doesn't really quite get it on the food and farming front either.

So much of what he says is often correct , but he also is trying to replace one oversimplified industrialised monoculture (factory farming of animals) with another industrialised system of plant (and factory plant) based food, which is also not 'sustainable.

It's a lot of number crunching and broad brush solutions.
Such as saying it takes X no. of acres to raise a lamb to kill weight, and that therefore all the sheep should be removed, and that those acres should instead be used to produce plant food for humans .

Whereas detailed multilayered multifunctional agroecological food production systems are so much more complex, and interdependent than that.

That would be a fun dinner party - George and Jack come round for tea and we chow down on these meaty issues..
Add Graham Harvey to the mix. He's not far away, could pop over (for a small fee).
 

AuroraSaab

Legendary Member
As if on cue...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/jack-monroe-interview?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

She's certainly something of a train-wreck.
Social media is quick to criticise both people's success and failiures and Jack is an easy target for more reasons than most (insert bigotry here).
She's done a lot of good for a lot of people and should be allowed to be successful as a result - should she give away her earnings and wear a hair shirt? Some people seem to expect her to be be some sort of a Mother Theresa figure. it's the old NME 'they sold-out' mantra as soon as a band becomes popular.

I can see why there is some criticism of her new book, it lools a bit Viz judging on your sample (as do all thrift books), but if the book's about 'thrift' even people with tumble-dryers may also need to economise as their daily budget is eroded by economic circumstances.
Neither is everybody's work output perfect. It's a shame the Trussel Trust won't circulate the copies she's donated.
Sadly she'll always be a divisive character and the haters gonna hate....

I think a big part of the problem is she got famous pretty quickly at quite a young age. Most celebrities' public persona is stage managed. Interviews with pre approved questions, social media run by others. Every spontaneous photo and off the cuff comment is actually staged and curated to maintain the image. It always feels like she should have had someone who had her back from the get go saying, 'Don't embellish your back story and stop chatting sh*t on the Internet... cos if it's not true it will come back to haunt you'.

I bet a ghost writer or editor wrote the ridiculous Top Tips section. It reads like it's by someone who's never been to a pound shop, or BandM and Home Bargains, and who doesn't know you can buy kitchenware at Tesco for pennies.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
She's an easy hit and we can laugh. I do. But a few more years of Conservative govt and we'll be huddling around braziers under flyovers with our feet wrapped in rags, wishing we'd had the foresight to save some tuna tins in which to serve our medaillons of toasted rat, and tutting about Harry's disloyalty to his monarcho-military gene pool and nursery.

Personally, I would want to see DNA results, before considering his gene pool. ;)
 
Top Bottom